Conservative Attack Ads

[jks]

Well this is intersting, the Liberal Party is holding a contest for youth to create a YouTube video protraying the pary and Ignatieff in a positive manner. Prize is $308, for the 308 ridings in Canada.

Young Liberals of Canada

 

[glesco]

This is interesting.

Nov 08: Gov't of Canada, lead by Mr Harper, did not think that the countries economy needed stimulus in their budget.

Dec 09: The gov't, lead by Mr Harper, decides not to bring their budget to a vote in parliment and requests the Governer General grant a porguement of parliment instead. The opposition parties have brought together a government and a stimulus package to aid the nation's economy.

Jan 09: The gov't, lead by Mr Haper, introduces a budget which has now a stimulus package for the economy.

Feb 09: The budget passes the house of commons.

Mar 09: Mr Harper, and the finance minister, are now claiming that it is of the utmost importance that the Sentate pass the stimulus budget and to delay other wise is the endanger's the Canadian economy.

June 09: The Finance Minister, Mr Flarety, Whitby, provides the guidelines for lower levels of government to be eligible for stimulus funding. Provincial and Local government officials are speptical due to previous conditions.

May 09: The government of Canada provides funding for the Sheppard LRT from the the BuildCanada fund, originally funding two budgets previously, simutantously dening there are delays in getting federal monies down to the local level.

 

[jade_lee]

The attack ads are at odds with what the Harper government has achieved. Those conservative attack ads are a big waste of cash as the unemployment line begins to get longer. Bad optics. Bad spending. Once Gm gets it's greedy mismanaging hands on Canadian Tax dollars I wonder who is going to rush out and buy up their overpriced inventory? GM workers?
Failed war.
Failed attempts at reform that appears to shaddow Obama landmark decisions but not quite.
Failing Canadians in general.......yes conservative attack ads vs Canadian awareness, they would be better off providing donuts with the coffee they serve our troops than make more decisions they will regret.

 

[Amphibius]

Harper's a puppet ruler. His own personal stances or that of his core base may be widely unpopular with Canada at large, but by giving the opposition parties so much influence over what his gov't enacts, it's hard to denounce him outright. That's why he's still in power.

 

[MetroMan]

They have responded, although not with a multimedia campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGifqWMeZIA&feature=player_embedded

En Français

Man, his french is very... uh.... annoying. LoL French is a very fluid, almost harmonic language. His is definitely not.

Nonetheless, in this country, better to speak English fluently and speak French poorly or with a bad accent than the other way around (memories of Dion).

 

[afransen]

He does have a strong anglo accent (better than mine, so who am I to judge). I don't think it's any worse that Harper's--I even get annoyed with Harper's speaking style in English.

 

[unimaginative2]

Harper's a puppet ruler. His own personal stances or that of his core base may be widely unpopular with Canada at large, but by giving the opposition parties so much influence over what his gov't enacts, it's hard to denounce him outright. That's why he's still in power.

Wait...what? He governed with a virtual majority for most of his last term.

Ignatieff has a fairly good and readily-understandable French accent. He's pretty much fluent. Harper speaks French with a very heavy English accent, though the development of his vocabulary has been impressive.

 

[Amphibius]

Wait...what? He governed with a virtual majority for most of his last term.

Ignatieff has a fairly good and readily-understandable French accent. He's pretty much fluent. Harper speaks French with a very heavy English accent, though the development of his vocabulary has been impressive.

Yeah, and he had virtually all of his policies either undermined or directly influenced by the will of the leftist opposition parties throughout that term (questioning the spending of taxpayers' monies on party perks; lack of funding for the Arts; listeria tainted meats outbreak). Just look at what's become of the Carbon Tax Bill he once so vehemently opposed. I think he'll just sputter off whatever mantras his core base will want to hear from their leader to keep voting for him faithfully (e.g. pro-"family values"); then go out and try to appease the vast majority of citizens who are against such rhetoric.

I dunno what the leaders' Francophone proficiency has to do with what I said, but remember back in 2006, it mattered not to the Quebecois how well he spoke their language. They just desperately wanted a change. Question is: is Ignatieff really that much of an ideological change from Harper, or will he adopt a similar "centrist" stance to foreign and domestic policy should we elect him into power? He's already a documented backpedaler, having supported the War on Terror, pre-emptive war and torture but now distancing himself away from these statements. That much is certain.

 

[kEiThZ]

^ It could be his asset that he's more moderate than Dion. There's enough of us out there who would definitely be concerned about voting for a hard left Liberal leader. It's a much easier fight for the Liberals in the centre as opposed to battling the NDP for scraps on the left side of the table.

 

[unimaginative2]

Yeah, and he had virtually all of his policies either undermined or directly influenced by the will of the leftist opposition parties throughout that term (questioning the spending of taxpayers' monies on party perks; lack of funding for the Arts; listeria tainted meats outbreak). Just look at what's become of the Carbon Tax Bill he once so vehemently opposed. I think he'll just sputter off whatever mantras his core base will want to hear from their leader to keep voting for him faithfully (e.g. pro-"family values"); then go out and try to appease the vast majority of citizens who are against such rhetoric.

Uh...no, he didn't. The Liberals abstained or voted for every single significant bill. The fact that the opposition criticized him for his poor handling of a tainted meat outbreak most assuredly had no impact on his ability to implement policy. The Carbon Tax Bill? Nobody has introduced a federal carbon tax bill... Dion proposed one in the last election, and the idea has faded into the background since his defeat.

I dunno what the leaders' Francophone proficiency has to do with what I said, but remember back in 2006, it mattered not to the Quebecois how well he spoke their language. They just desperately wanted a change. Question is: is Ignatieff really that much of an ideological change from Harper, or will he adopt a similar "centrist" stance to foreign and domestic policy should we elect him into power? He's already a documented backpedaler, having supported the War on Terror, pre-emptive war and torture but now distancing himself away from these statements. That much is certain.

I wasn't responding to something you said, I was responding to MetroMan and Afransen.

 

[Amphibius]

Uh...no, he didn't. The Liberals abstained or voted for every single significant bill. The fact that the opposition criticized him for his poor handling of a tainted meat outbreak most assuredly had no impact on his ability to implement policy. The Carbon Tax Bill? Nobody has introduced a federal carbon tax bill... Dion proposed one in the last election, and the idea has faded into the background since his defeat.

But by triggering an abrupt election campaign just off the heels of the listeriosis outbreak, the opposition sure counted on the scandal to bruise Harper's chances at a majority though. The Liberals and NDP form a very powerful opposition bloc which directly influences what the Tories are able to pass in office. It'd be extremely unwise for the opposition parties to topple any government willing to push forward the same type of socialist/liberal policies and agendas that they themselves would enact were they in a financial and leadership position to demonstrate legitimacy as a gov't. Dion frankly lacked those attributes, so a "centrist" ruling ensured the majority of constiuents' concerns, on a federal level, were being at least partially met (taxation, distribution of wealth, foreign policy, the environment, gov't accountability, status of women and minorities, etc.). As for the Carbon Tax, Ignatieff is offically reopening this debate with Harper, and coupled with talks of EI reforms, it could very well be an issue that triggers the next federal election.

I wasn't responding to something you said, I was responding to MetroMan and Afransen.

Well, you could've made that a bit clearer by use of a quote bubble, for future reference.

 

[afransen]

But by triggering an abrupt election campaign just off the heels of the listeriosis outbreak, the opposition sure counted on the scandal to bruise Harper's chances at a majority though.

Revisionist history, much? If you go back and look at the papers, you'll see that Harper unilaterally declared no confidence in his own government in a lame attempt to two-step around his fixed election law. Harper triggered the Fall election. He did so because they were polling well at the end of the summer and they knew that an economic storm was gathering (though they likely didn't foretell its severity).

The Liberals and NDP form a very powerful opposition bloc which directly influences what the Tories are able to pass in office.

That'd also be wrong. The Liberals + NDP are outnumbered by the CPC.

As for the Carbon Tax, Ignatieff is offically reopening this debate with Harper, and coupled with talks of EI reforms, it could very well be an issue that triggers the next federal election.

If you read the link you provided, you would notice that Iggy has flatly rejected carbon taxes. As you also know, the CPC is currently pursuing carbon pricing, which is exactly what the Liberal policy resolution called for (either a tax or cap and trade, or a combination thereof).

 

[unimaginative2]

But by triggering an abrupt election campaign just off the heels of the listeriosis outbreak, the opposition sure counted on the scandal to bruise Harper's chances at a majority though. The Liberals and NDP form a very powerful opposition bloc which directly influences what the Tories are able to pass in office. It'd be extremely unwise for the opposition parties to topple any government willing to push forward the same type of socialist/liberal policies and agendas that they themselves would enact were they in a financial and leadership position to demonstrate legitimacy as a gov't. Dion frankly lacked those attributes, so a "centrist" ruling ensured the majority of constiuents' concerns, on a federal level, were being at least partially met (taxation, distribution of wealth, foreign policy, the environment, gov't accountability, status of women and minorities, etc.). As for the Carbon Tax, Ignatieff is offically reopening this debate with Harper, and coupled with talks of EI reforms, it could very well be an issue that triggers the next federal election.

Harper called the election. He never lost a confidence vote. The opposition had absolutely nothing to do with it. Ignatieff has rejected a carbon tax, as your own article demonstrates. Still not reading what other people write, eh Dentrobate? What is a "centrist ruling ensur[ing] the majority of constiuents [sic] concerns?"

Well, you could've made that a bit clearer by use of a quote bubble, for future reference.

Uh...sorry?

 

[Amphibius]

Revisionist history, much? If you go back and look at the papers, you'll see that Harper unilaterally declared no confidence in his own government in a lame attempt to two-step around his fixed election law. Harper triggered the Fall election. He did so because they were polling well at the end of the summer and they knew that an economic storm was gathering (though they likely didn't foretell its severity).

That'd also be wrong. The Liberals + NDP are outnumbered by the CPC.

Yes but along with the Bloc Quebecois, the opposition still represents 65% of all votes that were cast (the silent majority), am I right? The Liberals wanted the election called just as much as Harper did, to oust Dion before he caused any further damage to their public image. Nothing revisionist about that. Harper was able to pass bills yes, but was under a microscope of scrutiny the whole period; and especially the NDP saw to it that a lot of their own platforms got addressed by the Tories (settling on a end date for our military's involvement in the Afghan War; reaffirming the Kyoto Protocol; expanding healthcare to include prescription drug coverage; securing workers' interests in NAFTA, etc. ). It was getting to the point that people were starting to switch allegiances, especially in Quebec. If not for Harper's gaff on French Canadian Arts spending, coupled with the listeriosis aftermath and Bernier-Couillard affair and as you've cited the looming recession, the outcome might've swung more in his favor.

So in retrospect, it's not at all surprising that the CPC gov't has lasted as long as it has, second only to Mackenzie King's minority gov't stint, because of the alliances forged and failure of the leading opposition to party to produce a formidable challenger to power.

If you read the link you provided, you would notice that Iggy has flatly rejected carbon taxes. As you also know, the CPC is currently pursuing carbon pricing, which is exactly what the Liberal policy resolution called for (either a tax or cap and trade, or a combination thereof).

Thank you very much. You've just supported my argument. Both Iggy and Harper are now eyeing the same Dion-led policies they once both vehemently opposed, if even begrudgingly. Politicians will say they are opposed to something then go right ahead and back it anyway. So if our leaders are going to advocate for or against something, dupe the public into believing their personal convictions, then betray all those who trusted in them, then what's following anything they have to say? Left, right, liberal, conservative-- all capable liars!

 

[Amphibius]

Harper called the election. He never lost a confidence vote. The opposition had absolutely nothing to do with it. Ignatieff has rejected a carbon tax, as your own article demonstrates. Still not reading what other people write, eh Dentrobate? What is a "centrist ruling ensur[ing] the majority of constiuents [sic] concerns?"

Uh...sorry?

What? Read the article I cited again. He may personally not support it but by censensus most Liberals do. He as their leader will have to champion it, if even begrudgingly. Isn't that obvious? Also centrist decision-making, which I believe for the most part Harper has tried to do, is the best way not to totally offend hardliners on either sides of the political spectrum. And Dentrobate?