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Hi,

Can we have a car sharing section or sticky on UT. I feel it would be relevant and would be nice to discuss car sharing with other UTers.
 
Not my car, but Zipcar is great (I use them). And Autoshare too. Autoshare's hourly rates are a bit lower, but their registration fee/annual fee is higher, I believe.
 
Car-sharing agency drives its message with ad-covered 'mobile billboards'

JAMIE KOMARNICKI
The Globe and Mail
August 22, 2008

A fleet of cars wrapped with ads is ready to hit the streets, hawking brand names on roads, superstore lots and driveways across Toronto.

But their drivers aren't trying to sell you anything; they just want to get where they're going as cheaply as possible.

The vehicles belong to Toronto's latest player in the auto-sharing industry, CityFlitz Advertising Inc., which launched this week. CityFlitz sells advertising on its fleet of Mini Coopers and Smart Cars, then rents out the "mobile billboards" for a dollar a day, said CEO and president Andreas Kotal.

"You get the car for a buck a day, and the cars are wrapped with cool advertising," Mr. Kotal said.

The company has signed on three advertisers, including Yahoo Canada, and will rent out 10 of its 17 cars.

Car-sharing has enjoyed a relatively smooth ride in Toronto, propped up by rising gas prices and growing environmental awareness, said Kevin McLaughin, president of AutoShare. His company, which has 200 cars, about 8,000 members and 120 locations across Toronto, has boosted its numbers each year since it began a decade ago.

AutoShare is talking with a U.S. company interested in wrapping some of the cars, but Mr. McLaughlin said he's in no hurry to take the plunge.

"People have all different kinds of relationships with advertising and branding that exists in our society," he said.

"People have to be comfortable with it."

A spokeswoman for rival Zipcar, a U.S.-based business with 300 vehicles at more than 130 pods in its Toronto branch, said the company has no plans to festoon cars with ads.

"That's mobile advertising and we're a car-sharing service. I think they're two very different industries," Kristina Kennedy said.

Cutting costs by selling ads might come with a few pitfalls when you add an uncontrollable variable: a driver, said University of Toronto marketing professor David Dunne. Pair an obnoxious driver with a branded car, and a vicious sideswipe will be linked with that logo, he said.

"You have no idea how people are going to behave as they're carrying your brand around," Dr. Dunne noted.

Companies of all type are welcome to apply for space on the CityFlitz cars, said Mr. Kotal, as long as the ads are legal and don't "offend" the company's image - a notion that gives pause to musician Jake Oelrichs, 30.

"For me, it would depend on who was advertising," said Mr. Oelrichs, who said he'd have to support the brand he was inadvertently promoting.

"You're indirectly contributing to whatever the company is advertising," said Mr. Oelrichs, checking out one of the CityFlitz cars parked in the Harbourfront Centre parking lot.

Getting around the moral quandary is simple: don't like the advertiser? Don't drive the car, Mr. Dunne said.

CityFlitz customers pay a one-time, refundable $350 security deposit, $30 processing fee and $7 monthly fees, then get the cars - which are available 24/7 to members with access to lock boxes on CityFlitz parking sites across the city - for a loonie a day. Drivers have to travel at least 30 kilometres on each trip.

Rebecca O'Keefe, who sold her car when she moved to Toronto, didn't like the look of the ad-wrapped car she saw in the Harbourfront Centre lot, but she said the price is right for weekend trips out of town.

"If it gets me from point A to B for a dollar a day, I would totally drive it."
 
In a more stupid vein, apparently carpooling is not quite kosher:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080821.CARPOOL21/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/

Carpooling company offers illegal service, bus firm complains

DAVID HUTTON

August 21, 2008

TORONTO -- Ontario's largest online ride-sharing company is being told paid carpooling is illegal and could be shut down in October, unless the provincial government changes how it's governed, after a bus company filed a complaint with the Ontario Highway Transportation Board.

PickupPal Online Inc., which matches drivers and riders on its website, is asked to appear before the board on Oct. 15, after bus company Trentway-Wagar, a subsidiary of Coach Canada, launched a complaint challenging the legitimacy of the carpooling company.

"We're caught in a bit of a bind," said John Stewart, the CEO of PickupPal, which has 15,000 registered users in Ontario and brokers about 100 rides a day. "There's a disconnect between the antiquated laws and carpooling companies who are trying to help environmental goals."

Trentway-Wagar alleges that the company is in violation of several sections of the Public Vehicles Act, which governs any company where money is exchanged for a public transportation service.

Under the act, people providing transportation have to abide by several safety and wage regulations. Mr. Stewart admits his company is likely in violation of some of these. Drivers compensated for transporting passengers beyond a municipal boundary need a licence to operate under the act, for instance, which people giving rides through PickupPal don't have.

"If they're illegal, they're illegal," said Jim Devlin, the president of Trentway-Wagar. "We're a heavily regulated industry. There's a tremendous amount of cost involved to operate a public vehicle operation."

Using PickupPal, drivers can negotiate some compensation for providing a ride, or give it for free. The site has focused on event-based ride-sharing for people looking to carpool to concerts and sporting events across the country.

PickupPal collected a 7 per cent commission from the driver until June, when that fee was dropped. Mr. Stewart said he thinks PickupPal's cars shouldn't be considered "public vehicles" because the fee change makes them instead "carpooling vehicles" under the act. He has filed a letter, asking the board to dismiss the case on this basis.

"We've encouraged drivers to do it for free, but people want to get money back for gas," he said.

Mr. Stewart's mother, Christine Stewart, the federal environment minister for two years under the Liberal government of Jean Chrétien, has started an online petition to save PickupPal, urging the Ontario government to change the law.

The safety board has ruled against two other companies in the past, shutting down similar carpooling services in 1999 and 2001. Quebec's allostop.ca, for instance, was forced to shut down its Ontario offices in 2001 after complaints by three bus companies.

Cracking down on carpooling companies is counterintuitive, Mr. Stewart said, given the provincial government has spent billions building High Occupancy Vehicle lanes.

The transport industry is too regulated. We should allow private minibuses to service suburbs and act as something in between a cab and a full fledged bus route.
 
Maybe bus companies should have cars, trains and planes banned outright. Then they won't have to worry about any competition. :rolleyes:
 
This is pretty ridiculous. We can be quite certain that no one really cares about safety, it's all politics. Some whiny bus companies are worried about their revenue being cut into, so they want to put an end to the carpooling companies.
 
Wish this caught on more in Ottawa. We have two really spartan car sharing companies who just aren't well located. And Ottawa is the perfect city for this type of service.
 
Car-Sharing Gaining Momentum, Maybe Saving the World

From Infrastructurist:

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Owning a car has innumerable costs, both for the driver (insurance, gas, parking, maintenance) and for everyone else (traffic, pollution, increased danger on the roads). As more drivers clog the roads every year, the costs of our car-centric society just keep growing: A recent American Public Health Association report found that we’re spending as much as $80 billion on healthcare costs and premature death from air pollution caused by traffic, and a massive $180 billion on traffic crashes, in the form of lost wages, medical bills, property damage, travel delay, legal costs, etc.

We know the solutions to the Driving Dilemma: Stop driving so much, bike to work or take public transportation, and live in urban areas or other walkable communities. Which is sort of like telling us to solve the obesity epidemic by eating less and exercising more — we all know it, but since when did the knowledge alone do us any good?

Certainly the business world has been searching for a solution, with engineers and CEOs searching for the transportation lightning-in-a-bottle that doesn’t ever seem to come (hybrids and non-fossil-fuel-burning fuels are certainly a start, but as of yet they’re not the answer).

One corporate initiative that has focused less on getting people out of cars and into trains or bikes, and more on accepting the desires of the market (we want the convenience and freedom of driving somewhere when we choose, but we don’t necessarily want the kit and caboodle of car ownership) is car-sharing. Companies like Zipcar, which take the traditional idea of car rental and apply it to the modern urbanite’s daily life, have found themselves seriously on to something. Zipcar, which was conceived in 2000 in the midst of the Internet boom, charges $50 for a yearly membership, and allows members to go online and reserve cars for short blocks of time. The cars can be booked on the company’s web site, or through iPhone or Blackberry apps, and the cars are billed hourly, with no hidden fees. Users can reserve a variety of different cars, and pick-up and drop-off spots are located throughout a city, giving drivers plenty of options.

The company’s growth has been considerable, if not mind-blowing: This year, Zipcar has 400,000 members in 13 major metropolitan areas and more than 150 college campuses in the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. Now the company is taking a step closer to profitable-business-land (until now, they haven’t been in the black) by filing for a $75 million initial public offering. Zipcar’s backers include large VC firms like Greylock Partners and Benchmark Capital, and management is planning to use the IPO proceeds to pay off debt and cover general expenses as it expands to more locations. Meanwhile, other car-rental agencies are jumping on the “drive-when-needed†bandwagon: For over a year Hertz has been running a service that’s nearly identical to Zipcar called Connect by Hertz that offers by-the-hour rentals in New York, Park Ridge, N.J., London, and Paris.

Granted, these agencies may be saving more on the “individual costs of car-ownership†spectrum, while doing less to combat the larger problem — at the end of the day, they’re still providing cars that people use to clog up roadways and burn fossil fuels. But when looked at in a larger, “new urban transportation†sense, these companies could help push forward the car-free revolution by giving city-dwellers and students the freedom to take a car out for a few hours, on a limited basis, without actually purchasing one.
 
New article on car sharing on www.openfile.ca

http://www.openfile.ca/toronto-file/pitch-when-will-car-sharing-reach-burbs

Relevant info:

Autoshare adds Vic. Park ( I believe at Danforth) on Sept 1, 2010

Zipcar adds Bayview/Sheppard this fall, and is new to Fairview Mall.

Zipcar boss suggests we will see cars at Vic Park/Eglinton and in general in Scarborough and Etobicoke within 12 months.

Full text below:

Four years after Zipcar landed in Toronto and 12 years after AutoShare began the trend, car sharing services are starting to make slow inroads into the most car-dependent parts of the GTA — too slow, for some residents.

Touted as a green alternative to urban car ownership, car sharing allows members to rent vehicles by the hour. However, access to the service is still very limited in Scarborough and Etobicoke, let alone in Markham and Mississauga.

Of 350 Zipcar vehicles, about 260 are in the downtown core, south of Eglinton Ave. Like AutoShare, the company clusters its pickup locations near major transit routes, a policy that ensures each site is economically viable and used frequently, representatives say.

“Car sharing works well in dense, walkable and transit-rich areas where people don't need a car to get to work, or live most of their life,” says AutoShare president Kevin McLaughlin. “Thus the location of most T-Dot shared cars along the subway or streetcar lines.”

The good news: both services have expanded locations to older suburbs that have seen increased transit access, such as North York. AutoShare has a car at Don Mills Rd. and Sheppard Ave. and six locations north of Highway 401, with one car as far afield as Markham. A Victoria Park Ave. location is scheduled to open Sept. 1.

Zipcar has a six-car “superpod” at Yonge St. and Sheppard Ave., three cars at York University and two new cars at Fairview Mall. The company also plans to put new cars at Bayview and Sheppard Aves.

“We’re very open to the concept” of expanding suburban locations, says Michael Lende, Zipcar’s Toronto general manager. “We want to be accessible to everybody.”

In the past four years, the number of car-share users has gone from 2,500 to “probably over 25,000,” McLaughlin says.

The success of the model has clear benefits for the community. Industry studies show that just one shared car takes roughly eight privately owned vehicles off the road. Also, a car-sharing membership cuts each motorist's carbon dioxide emissions by an average of 60 per cent annually.

Both companies say population density and transit accessibility will continue to determine the location of new car pods. Where new transit lines go, so goes car sharing — eventually.

Luckily for suburban dwellers, transit and density don’t have to be present at the same time.

One way to get car-sharing into suburban areas, it turns out, is to build condos. AutoShare’s most northerly location is at the Majestic Court luxury condo complex at Highway 7 and Warden Ave. in Markham.

The density provided by the growing condo hub near Victoria Park and Eglinton Ave. also enabled Zipcar
to install two cars there two years ago, even without a rich downtown-style transit presence. It now plans to station cars right in the parking lot of one new development nearby, Lende says, although he declined to identify it by name.

McLaughlin’s company is expanding. He wants to put AutoShare cars in Mississauga; partnering with the city or another agency, either to help with promotion or startup costs, would help that happen. AutoShare had to pull its location in New Toronto, in Etobicoke, when it wasn’t profitable. A car must bring in $1,000 a month just to cover its own costs, McLaughlin says.

A key factor is getting drivers to use the cars on weekdays, not just weekends.

Zipcar will serve Toronto’s eastern and western regions better in the future, Lende says.

“You’ll probably see cars in Etobicoke within the next 18 months, as you’ll see expansion in Scarborough as well,” he says. “We are going to expand as the city expands.”
 

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