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JJTheJetPln
Active Member
This does not spark joy.
Dan416
Senior Member
I mean, it's better than empty buses no? It's a good problem to have. I think it's easier to spend money on a system that is seeing a lot of ridership growth versus a system that has empty buses and spending more money on that. I often see Mississauga buses trundle along half empty earlier than that (e.g. the 38 Creditview or 68 Terry Fox).
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
You're absolutely right, it's definitely better than empty buses. I'm glad to see that many routes are seeing record investments in Brampton, but I can't help but feel that some of the investments and adjustments aren't enough to stop the encumbrances that certain routes face.
I should clarify my initial comment - What I mean when I say that this does not spark joy is that often we'll see many routes get adjusted times and have more resources allocated to make them quicker. However, due to the population growth in Brampton, transit itself does not feel like it is scaling effectively to address the growing pains of crowded buses with just these changes alone. I'm sure other regions are seeing the same issues, but not on the scale that Brampton is in regards to how ridership numbers seem to have ballooned.
I can't quite compile all my thoughts together, but it would be helpful if Brampton Transit had more XDE60's allocated along many routes with times being adjusted based on the pressure points they see in the system. The numbers and KPI's are one thing, but it makes me wonder if any of the system planners at Brampton Transit have actually taken the bus on some of the routes they've made changes on.
Anyway, I digress, you're right. I just remain hopeful that the Chinguacousy Zum isn't going to be a hindrance when it launches given how it's going to be helping move those on the 511 as well.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Receive from the City today re On the Move: Brampton Mobility Plan (BMP):
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Utility locating is currently being done on Chinguacousy Road from Sandalwood to Steeles in anticipation of the Chinguacousy Zum project.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
During my morning commute, I saw plenty of construction vehicles and a lane closure from Rafat around one of the proposed Chinguacousy Zum stops. They were northbound on Chinguacousy just before Bovaird where the Petro Canada gas station is.
They've got a backhoe parked on the grass now, so it's possible they're going to get started with this location first.
They've got a backhoe parked on the grass now, so it's possible they're going to get started with this location first.
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
Saw something really interesting on Brampton's Bids & Tenders page today.
Request for Information for Conversion of Diesel Buses to Electric Buses
I don't think I've ever heard of buses being converted from a conventional diesel to a BEB. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
They're currently looking for information on their 2012 New Flyer XD40 diesel bus and 2014 Nova LFS 40 Diesel bus fleet.
Request for Information for Conversion of Diesel Buses to Electric Buses
I don't think I've ever heard of buses being converted from a conventional diesel to a BEB. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
They're currently looking for information on their 2012 New Flyer XD40 diesel bus and 2014 Nova LFS 40 Diesel bus fleet.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Great find! There actually are companies out there who can convert a fossil fuel bus to battery electric. MTB Transit Solution is a local company who can do that. They’re actually doing one bus for Milton Transit currently.
In the US CCW has done a number of bus conversions for a few transit agencies like Portland Trimet.
Northern Light
Superstar
October 28th service changes are out; hard for me to discern improvements because instead of increase/decrease they keep using the word 'adjusted' to describe the changes.
www.brampton.ca
I made some quick comparisons with the frequency charts, seems like there are sizable increases in certain time periods.
Service Changes
I made some quick comparisons with the frequency charts, seems like there are sizable increases in certain time periods.
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ As in, some frequencies are decreasing?
JJTheJetPln
Active Member
The route 58 alignment is interesting. Good to see that area getting serviced now since it's an area I frequently drive in mornings.
Also curious about the increases in time periods.
Also curious about the increases in time periods.
Northern Light
Superstar
As in some routes/service periods getting 30M frequency, instead of 60........
And one getting 15 instead of 20.
A lot of it seems to be weekends.
DirectionNorth
Active Member
It's so strange. "Increase" would be great publicity, and perfectly honest when used properly, such as here; "decrease" provides neccessary information. I will echo comments made during the September changes, adjusted is only appropriate if it's a runtime change that affects headways by a few minutes in either direction.October 28th service changes are out; hard for me to discern improvements because instead of increase/decrease they keep using the word 'adjusted' to describe the changes.
Service Changes
I made some quick comparisons with the frequency charts, seems like there are sizable increases in certain time periods.
Short version: nothing groundbreaking. An assortment of local routes get off-peak improvements, which are (mostly) meaningful, but not the Züm/mainline changes everyone is waiting for (someday someday someday).
Full comparisons here:
| Route | Change | Old/New |
| 505 Züm Bovaird | trip time adjustment | departed pushed back 3 mins. for GO connection |
| 23 Sandalwood | weekday evenings | minor schedule adjustments |
| 24 Van Kirk | weekday evenings: +47% | 65 min. -> 44 min. |
| 24 Van Kirk | weekday evenings | service extended by 1 hour, both directions |
| 26 Mt. Pleasant | Saturday daytime: +67% | 50 min. -> 30 min. |
| 29 Williams | Saturday daytime/evenings: +40% | 35 min. -> 25 min. |
| 32 Father Tobin | Saturday daytime: -10% | 45 min. -> 50 min. |
| 33 Peter Robinson | Saturday daytime: new | new service -> 50 min. |
| 52 McMurchy | Saturday/Sunday daytime: +100% | 50 min. -> 25 min. |
| 53 Ray Lawson | Saturday/Sunday daytime: +100% | 60 min. -> 30 min. |
| 54 County Court | Saturday/Sunday daytime: +100% | 30 min. -> 15 min. |
| 57 Charolais | Saturday/Sunday daytime: +100% | 60 min. -> 30 min. |
| 57 Charolais | Saturday evenings | service extended by 30 minutes, northbound |
| 58 Financial Drive | Peak periods: -10% | 45 min. -> 50 min. |
| 58 Financial Drive | All service periods (ie. peak only) | route extension into more suburbia |
Northern Light
Superstar
Excellent work!