Bradford Bypass (MTO, Hwy 400 - Hwy 404)

[Fritter]

Will this be numbered highway?

I may be smoking something worse than what the MTO already does, but I would number it 413. My 413 would begin at the 404, continue west to the 400 where it would turn south running concurrently with 400 until it turns west again as 413 to the 401/407 junction. In my fantasy mind, I would end 407 at that junction with the 401, renumber the 407 and 403 south to the QEW as 413, and renumber the portion of the 407 from the junction of 403 to the QEW in Burlington as 403 as originally intended back when corridors were first identified back in the middle of the 20th Century. All this would make the 413 a freeway from Queensville in eastern York region, arching around down to Oakville

 

[innsertnamehere]

nah, this will end up as 488 or something. I really don't see MTO giving it the same designation as the 413 as it really doesn't serve the same function.

Highway 408 is also not currently in use and could work.

 

[2323]

Highway 408 is also not currently in use and could work.

Despite the Mid Pen being shelved, I still doubt the MTO would want to use a number that implies it replaces an existing highway. That's part of the reason why 418 was chosen, highway 18 has not existed for quite some time both officially and colloquially. Highway 88 is at least still the name of the road despite it not being provincially owned. Besides, I'd much rather see 408 be applied to the freeway section of 8 in KW.

 

[nfitz]

nah, this will end up as 488 or something. I really don't see MTO giving it the same designation as the 413 as it really doesn't serve the same function.

I agree that the designation wouldn't be 413. Which would make an extension of either painful.

They seldom have gone far outside the sequential range - the only egregious one was 427. I don't see a 488. Next number up is probably 414 - I see nothing that would let them save that (unlike 408, 411, and maybe even 415).

I can also see it being not numbered - the Rob Crackmayor Memorial Highway perhaps? Or perhaps that will be the new name for the combined Gardiner/DVP.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Anecdotally I've heard that it will be numbered and that MTO has provisionally selected the number. It just hasn't been made public yet for whatever reason. I think right now they enjoy not calling it a 400-series highway as it makes the project seem less impactful. A "bypass" seems a lot more minor than a "Highway 414".

 

[Civdis]

I may be smoking something worse than what the MTO already does, but I would number it 413. My 413 would begin at the 404, continue west to the 400 where it would turn south running concurrently with 400 until it turns west again as 413 to the 401/407 junction. In my fantasy mind, I would end 407 at that junction with the 401, renumber the 407 and 403 south to the QEW as 413, and renumber the portion of the 407 from the junction of 403 to the QEW in Burlington as 403 as originally intended back when corridors were first identified back in the middle of the 20th Century. All this would make the 413 a freeway from Queensville in eastern York region, arching around down to Oakville

Your reasoning has merit, but I am still convinced that 413 will eventually be extended east of the 400 on its current alignment. I know they have to sort of thread a needle through King City to do it, but I still think that will happen very long term.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Your reasoning has merit, but I am still convinced that 413 will eventually be extended east of the 400 on its current alignment. I know they have to sort of thread a needle through King City to do it, but I still think that will happen very long term.

At this point they would basically either need to destroy a nature preserve in the Oak Ridge Moraine or do a tunnel of some sort to get it through there. When you look at google maps it doesn't appear overly urbanized but that's because it's a large nature preserve.

Mind you, highway tunnels apparently aren't as absurd as they used to be..

 

[Civdis]

Would make more sense than the one under the 401

 

[nfitz]

At this point they would basically either need to destroy a nature preserve in the Oak Ridge Moraine or do a tunnel of some sort to get it through there. When you look at google maps it doesn't appear overly urbanized but that's because it's a large nature preserve.

Mind you, highway tunnels apparently aren't as absurd as they used to be..

You are seeing tunnels more and more in other countries to get through sensitive areas (or extreme topography).

An extension doesn't have to go forever. I'm surprised the Bradford Bypass doesn't add just 3.5 km west of 400 to connect to Highway 27! I'd have thought that was a no-brainer - and no more sensitive than the land on the east side of 400 they are building on.

Your reasoning has merit, but I am still convinced that 413 will eventually be extended east of the 400 on its current alignment. I know they have to sort of thread a needle through King City to do it, but I still think that will happen very long term.

Heck - or just get it to King City. Terminate on Jane or Keele (near the King City GO station). Though I'm sure they'll find a way to get it to 404 one day. And probably Stouffville/Highway 48 ... and further. Maybe long after we are dead.