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[mburrrrr]

It seemed like most of the decision makers were pro airport in their closing comments.
The amendment and closing arguments were already written before the community feedback was presented.

I think only an election campaign can turn this around.

I’m on the fence but curious about what could be with a clean slate.

Maybe extend the 3 party agreement with the islander’s 99-x year lease end date.

Maybe they could build another island or fill in a large portion of the Toronto east Harbour once sugar is not refined here.

 

[DSC]

Your understanding is correct........

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Councillor Carroll put out a statement in favour of extending the Tripartite agreement.

She has made no secret of the fact that issue may come up at Council next week.

McKelvie seems likely to align with her on this if she does so.

The latter has been particularly clear on advocating for option 2/3 over 1.

The Motion was proposed by Ausma Malik but no sign of any votes opposed.

Motions​

1 - Motion to Adopt Item as Amended moved by Deputy Mayor Ausma Malik (Carried)
That the Executive Committee adopt the following recommendations in the supplementary report (September 27, 2024) from the Deputy City Manager, Development and Growth Services, with Recommendation 3 amended by adding the words "the second quarter of" after the words "Executive Committee in":

It is rare for an Executive Committee member (or actually any Committee member) to oppose a unanimous Committee motion in Council and not have voted against it at the Committee level.

 

[Northern Light]

Don't mind me......but I'm just going to link to an earlier post by @DSC and let people ruminate on why.

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[leftfieldto]

Yo Billy Bishop peeps!

Ever been stuck at the airport, eyes peeled for a cab that's apparently takin' a world tour before it gets to ya? Been there, done that, and trust me, it’s a real drag—like watchin’ paint dry while the clock’s tickin’ down on your next move.

But lemme spill the tea on my game-changer moment. One blustery day, with cabs playin' hard to get, I stumbled upon www.torontotaxilimo.ca. Figured I’d roll the dice with their Billy Bishop Airport Taxi & Limo Service. And man, what a win!

No sooner did I book, this sleek limo rolls up, driver pops out with a smile warmer than my grandma’s lasagna. Smooth cruising through the streets, I’m loungin’ in the back like I own the joint.

Peep the deets right here, fam: Billy Bishop Airport Taxi & Limo Service.

Now, catchin' a ride from Billy Bishop is a breeze. I tap the app, and boom—my ride’s on deck, ready to slide outta there with zero fuss. Next time you’re airport bound, why not switch it up? Might just make your day.

I Smell SPAM!!! ewwwww,....

 

[generalcanada]

I Smell SPAM!!! ewwwww,....

Guys....Its not hard....ignore, report and move on.

 

[leftfieldto]

Guys....Its not hard....ignore, report and move on.

Glass houses, dude...

 

[generalcanada]

Glass houses, dude...

wait what

 

[Northern Light]

Could we get back to my ignored post, LOL?

 

[Mithras]

My best friend lived for years in the condo building at the corner of Queen's Quay and Bathurst. His unit faced the airport and by an order of magnitude the loudest thing both inside and outside was the streetcar making the turn up Bathurst. There is no place more affected by the airport than that building and I still can never understand the rampant NIMBYism that the airport creates.

Lengthen the runway, let jets that are quieter than what is allowed currently to land there and allow Toronto another significant arrow in the quiver of being a global gateway city.

 

[Northern Light]

My best friend lived for years in the condo building at the corner of Queen's Quay and Bathurst. His unit faced the airport and by an order of magnitude the loudest thing both inside and outside was the streetcar making the turn up Bathurst. There is no place more affected by the airport than that building and I still can never understand the rampant NIMBYism that the airport creates.

Do you have any evidence for this, based on how sound travels, both at-grade, and at height?

Lengthen the runway, let jets that are quieter than what is allowed currently to land there and allow Toronto another significant arrow in the quiver of being a global gateway city.

I don't live anywhere near the airport, I'm in East York; I would still say 'No' to the above.

Not NIMBY in my case, as its not my backyard; but beyond that there a host of considerations beyond noise; though you over simplify that concern in my judgement.

That said, I don't wish to re-litigate a discussion that's been had a hundred times here.

I think we should try to focus on news and information of interest, rather than personal preferences.

 

[generalcanada]

Do you have any evidence for this, based on how sound travels, both at-grade, and at height?



I don't live anywhere near the airport, I'm in East York; I would still say 'No' to the above.

Not NIMBY in my case, as its not my backyard; but beyond that there a host of considerations beyond noise; though you over simplify that concern in my judgement.

That said, I don't wish to re-litigate a discussion that's been had a hundred times here.

I think we should try to focus on news and information of interest, rather than personal preferences.

FWIW I live on lakeshore beside the Loblaws, and the Airport noise is definitely noticeable only on takeoffs and landings.

It doesnt really annoy me, though I'd be happy if the airport closed, As long as jets dont start landing there im fine.

 

[robmausser]

FWIW I live on lakeshore beside the Loblaws, and the Airport noise is definitely noticeable only on takeoffs and landings.

It doesnt really annoy me, though I'd be happy if the airport closed, As long as jets dont start landing there im fine.

On top of this, one of the proposed changes by Port Authority are noise walls to help mitigate noise.

That level of modifications so far has been rejected by city hall thus far however.

If the main cause of dissatisfaction with the airport was merely the noise the airport creates, one would think this would be at the top of the list

Obviously noise walls arent a magic bullet, but they do help especially with takeoff noise, which is the worst offender.

They have been proven successful at many other city airports around the world.

 

[dowlingm]

Could we get back to my ignored post, LOL?

Okay I’ll play - I’m going to guess…that in the current runway config they don’t interfere with landing or takeoff from 08 (in which case permission would have to be refused) but if the airport managed to an extension friendly council in the future (not just RESA) then the buildings would rule it out?

 

[Civdis]

Do you have any evidence for this, based on how sound travels, both at-grade, and at height?



I don't live anywhere near the airport, I'm in East York; I would still say 'No' to the above.

Not NIMBY in my case, as its not my backyard; but beyond that there a host of considerations beyond noise; though you over simplify that concern in my judgement.

That said, I don't wish to re-litigate a discussion that's been had a hundred times here.

I think we should try to focus on news and information of interest, rather than personal preferences.

Anyone who chooses to live downtown, does so because they want to live in a busy, vibrant big city with all of the advantages that brings. I live downtown and recognize that noise is part of the deal. At first, the ridiculous GO train bells around Union were a little irritating. I don't even hear them now. Having said all of that, the airport predates almost everyone living in that neighbourhood, so nimbyism is particularly objectionable in this case.

 

[Northern Light]

Anyone who chooses to live downtown, does so because they want to live in a busy, vibrant big city with all of the advantages that brings. I live downtown and recognize that noise is part of the deal. At first, the ridiculous GO train bells around Union were a little irritating. I don't even hear them now. Having said all of that, the airport predates almost everyone living in that neighbourhood, so nimbyism is particularly objectionable in this case.

The statement above reflects your preferences and biases, but fails to offer a shred of evidence, to objectively support the originally asserted conclusion.