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Barber on Markham Bypass

Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
Does this new noob, "suv", remind anyone of anyone?
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Dan. I'm quite sure we have never met. I do applaud your courage to put your personal links up.

I must say, the only time I've ever seen so many pictures of any one person on their own website is when I, ummm, accidentally visited a porn site.

But I find you attractive in a very gay way (not that there is anything wrong with that). But like I said, I have kids, but I can understand a man being attracted to you...not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
Simplified at face value is misleading. So I thank you for asking the question instead of getting all nooby accusatory, and let me explain further...

I actually praise your capacity to think beyond the current real estate mania (now experiencing its inevitable doom - US, UK, Spain...us next). Globally, this could rank right up there with the tuplip mania...so your capacity to choose rent actually speaks to the posession of a much larger intellect than is currently demonstrated.

In 'simplify' I actually connotate it to determining what is important to one's soul, heart and mind. Imho, you have eliminated the peripheral distractions from 'life'. You have simplified your life - which now allows you to lead a rich, complex, vibrant existence.

So simplify in this sense, is a very large compliment directed to you. It speaks nothing of your capacity to engage life in its most essential manner, and yielding fruits that are elusive to most. The richness of your life I'm sure is without doubt. Don't you think that richness is a direct result of the 'simplified' choices you have made?

Kind Regards,
 
Back to the topic

Okay, enough with this rubbish. SUV you must be Richard Simmons...be honest.

I personally think that Scarborugh should allow York Region to go ahead with its recommendations to link the bypass through scarbrough. The community of Boxgrove is growing quickly and it would be beneficial to have a quick road link to the 401, since Markham Rd is too congested.
 
Markham said:
Okay, enough with this rubbish. SUV you must be Richard Simmons...be honest.

I personally think that Scarborugh should allow York Region to go ahead with its recommendations to link the bypass through scarbrough. The community of Boxgrove is growing quickly and it would be beneficial to have a quick road link to the 401, since Markham Rd is too congested.
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C'mon Markham...

I was exercising my femine side. I got all touchy feely and yes. I did feel like Richard Simmons. If only all of you would do that, we could have a huge group hug and cry session....nah.

I agree Boxgrove needs a relief line. It's called the 407. You should be pushing big time for a Boxgove AND Steeles Ave. GO connection to the Havelock line that could be part of the Peterborough commuter line.

Another road is not the answer. The problem is that Markham did not do an EA (Environmental Assessment) into Toronto. The idiocy of the connection is that Markham Rd. is no more than 400 metres away from the proposed connection. No EA was done on the effect into residential streets, especially Neilson Ave which is highly dense with schools, churches, the mall there, parks etc. A pedestrian nightmare.

When in Booneyville, do as Booneyvillers do....idle, accelerate, brake, stop. Light turn red. Idle for two minutes. Wait for advanced green to finish. Accelerate. Race to intersection. Stop. Light turn red. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat. Kill oneself. Ooops. Meant to stop before kill. Please don't kill.

The insanity needs to stop in Markham. And Yonge and Sheppard. Please. No mas. No more roads.

Okay, everybody put down your cheese doodle. Let's do jumping jacks...a one, a two...I see Markham in the back...come on, you can do it....:cool:
 
Wife returned.

Got to go...to Queen West and visit some friends now. Hope I don't get mugged by some crackheads down there.....
 
You bet I am crossing my fingers and toes for the possible Go Station in Boxgrove. It would be great for the communties surrounding the station. SO much acitivty and development..it's insane what they have planned for Boxgrove. With the expansion of the Markham Stouffville hospital in 2010 things are looking great for Markam East.

407 is great and you can actually take it the DVP to link to the 401. However, as you know, you have to pay for saving time. There has to be a north-south link somewhere to link to the 401...it just has to be done.


suv said:
C'mon Markham...

I was exercising my femine side. I got all touchy feely and yes. I did feel like Richard Simmons. If only all of you would do that, we could have a huge group hug and cry session....nah.

I agree Boxgrove needs a relief line. It's called the 407. You should be pushing big time for a Boxgove AND Steeles Ave. GO connection to the Havelock line that could be part of the Peterborough commuter line.

Another road is not the answer. The problem is that Markham did not do an EA (Environmental Assessment) into Toronto. The idiocy of the connection is that Markham Rd. is no more than 400 metres away from the proposed connection. No EA was done on the effect into residential streets, especially Neilson Ave which is highly dense with schools, churches, the mall there, parks etc. A pedestrian nightmare.

When in Booneyville, do as Booneyvillers do....idle, accelerate, brake, stop. Light turn red. Idle for two minutes. Wait for advanced green to finish. Accelerate. Race to intersection. Stop. Light turn red. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat. Kill oneself. Ooops. Meant to stop before kill. Please don't kill.

The insanity needs to stop in Markham. And Yonge and Sheppard. Please. No mas. No more roads.

Okay, everybody put down your cheese doodle. Let's do jumping jacks...a one, a two...I see Markham in the back...come on, you can do it....:cool:
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Markham said:
You bet I am crossing my fingers and toes for the possible Go Station in Boxgrove. It would be great for the communties surrounding the station. SO much acitivty and development..it's insane what they have planned for Boxgrove. With the expansion of the Markham Stouffville hospital in 2010 things are looking great for Markam East.

407 is great and you can actually take it the DVP to link to the 401. However, as you know, you have to pay for saving time. There has to be a north-south link somewhere to link to the 401...it just has to be done.
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Markham,

I definitely agree on Boxgrove. It's one of the few places in the 905 (I love Woodbridge around Islington, the Glen Abbey community over on Kennedy) that I would live, not that there is not other great 905 communities. It's just that the issue will never be peak oil, substiution, will take care of oil issues.

The issue that will never go away though is congestion and gridlock, hence, never in the world 905 for me. On Saturday evening I left my driveway at 7 p.m. (not far from Cedarbrae Golf and Country Club) and arrived at my brother's house in Queen West at 7:27....however, if that was a weekday morning...ugh.

Adding more roads does not solve gridlock and congestion. We need rail lines that are interconnected and regularly scheduled. More mini trains during off peak hours....

Then again, I've been reading about the commuter hell for codo owners at Yonge and Sheppard. Wait 10 minutes for elevator, 10 minutes for exit from garage, 10 minutes for left turn...get passed on the highway by the guy who left his Pickerign house the same time you pressed the elevator button....

Life is one big joke, ain't it....:cool:
 
"Markham Bypass has residents' group crying NIMBY"

"DECISION NEXT WEEK
JOHN BARBER

May 14, 2008

Who says NIMBY is wrong? It wasn't Jane Jacobs, who defended neighbourhood alarms as warning signs authorities are foolish to ignore. If she were alive today, she would be ringing bells about the Markham Bypass in outermost Scarberia - a classic assault on an unsuspecting neighbourhood.

Heaven knows the resistance could use some help. The neighbourhood under threat, called Morningside Heights, is that in name only. In truth, it is a recently built tract of suburban housing filled with several thousand perfect strangers - people from every corner of the world, all of whom just landed here yesterday, in a vinyl-clad stage set inspired by Norman Rockwell.

The usual amazing social experiment, but not a neighbourhood - not yet.

The barely settled residents of Morningside Heights, as far from City Hall as you can get without leaving town, are further disadvantaged by the intractable feud between their two political representatives, Toronto Councillor Raymond Cho and Liberal MPP Bas Balkissoon.


"Definitely Bas doesn't want to work with Raymond, and that doesn't help," said Riitta Upshall of the local residents' association. "People come to the meetings and nothing new happens," she added. "It's just mudslinging."

As of now, Mr. Cho appears to have his rival on the run. The reason: Next week Environment Minister John Gerretsen will finally issue a decision on the fate of a new highway that will carry Markham commuters down to Highway 401 and, according to Ms. Upshall, "blow away" Scarborough. Mr. Cho is whipping up NIMBY sentiment while Mr. Balkissoon urges balance.

"My colleague, whom I have very little to do with, keeps sending flyers to people saying I'm responsible for building the Markham Bypass," Mr. Balkissoon complained. In fact, the councillor deployed a virtual army of foot soldiers recently to urge people to attend a meeting Mr. Balkissoon called to explain the project.

The infighting not only confuses constituents, it obscures the reality of the true power struggle. In effect, affluent Markham is using struggling Scarborough as its drain - both for the pent-up sewage about to blast through York Region's notorious Big Pipe on its way to the lake, and for the vehicles that signify the same function aboveground.

There hasn't been a road like the Markham Bypass built south of Steeles Avenue for decades. It would have died with a wooden stake through its heart immediately had it dared appear anywhere other than Scarborough. Its construction will have significant regional consequences, virtually guaranteeing more over-the-horizon sprawl to fill up the extra capacity. It is everything progressive Toronto claims to oppose. But there is little more than a handful of suburban NIMBYs standing in its way.

As usual, they have the best ideas for handling the real challenges of living in their own neighbourhood. Complaining that it takes 100 minutes to travel downtown by transit, Ms. Upshall's group is doing the real transportation planning in Morningside Heights - with a focus on the railway tracks that run virtually alongside the proposed alignment of the new highway.

It just so happens that those are the very tracks federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty wants to use for a new commuter train to Peterborough. Refreshingly unaware that they occupy Liberal territory, the NIMBYs are reaching to Ottawa for help.

"We'd love to see that line running again," Ms. Upshall said. Her NIMBYs have already sketched out a plan for accommodating commuters in a large new parking lot in a hydro corridor next to a proposed station. All they need are sensible politicians who can work together and follow their lead.
 
That article is a little bit too biased for me. Firstly, the Markham bypass has been discussed for over a decade if not longer - if you moved into Morningside Heights and failed to educate yourself of local transportation plans, tough luck!

Secondly, Toronto is hardly the progressively planned city it is made out to be by the author of the article. Morningside Heights is classic greenfield sprawl, brought to you by the same group of planners responsible for new growth in downtown Toronto. Point being that whether it's Vaughan, Mississauga or City of Toronto, planners allow sprawl when greenfields exist.

Lastly, it's not fair to claim that Toronto abandoned roadways of simliar size decades ago. That may be true, but it's only because Toronto's expansion into the rural frontier also happened to come to an end decades ago. There simply hasn't been the opportunity to build roads of this scale in Toronto since the 1970s.
 
Chuck said:
That article is a little bit too biased for me. Firstly, the Markham bypass has been discussed for over a decade if not longer - if you moved into Morningside Heights and failed to educate yourself of local transportation plans, tough luck!

Secondly, Toronto is hardly the progressively planned city it is made out to be by the author of the article. Morningside Heights is classic greenfield sprawl, brought to you by the same group of planners responsible for new growth in downtown Toronto. Point being that whether it's Vaughan, Mississauga or City of Toronto, planners allow sprawl when greenfields exist.

Lastly, it's not fair to claim that Toronto abandoned roadways of simliar size decades ago. That may be true, but it's only because Toronto's expansion into the rural frontier also happened to come to an end decades ago. There simply hasn't been the opportunity to build roads of this scale in Toronto since the 1970s.
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Tough Luck Chuck (sequel to Good Luck Chuck). If you failed to educate yourself of the power of people Tough Luck.

If the rising cost of oil is now an issue tough luck. If congestion and gridlock is now an issue, tough luck. Chuck, in business we say change or die. Meaning you sure as hell need to adapt. So a plan from over 10 years ago is now irrelevant.

Secondly, you are damned right - Toronto sure as hell ain't no progressively planned city. Give me an amen Chuck. Anything practically good about Toronto is either a fate of geography (ice carving out our valleys, ravines the bluffs), a quirk of history or some enterprising citizens and architects...but nothing from officaldumb.

Greenfield sprawl is great for those who live there (huge house, land, space, greenery) and a bitch for most others because of the traffic congestion and gridlock (but you can get that at Yonge and Sheppard, to name one of many). How about we build the two story house a lot of people want but integrate smarter transit? It can be done. Time to change the way we view transportation, and not just necessarily housing. They can be somewhat exclusive to each other, we just need bigger brain power and not the usual excuses.
 
The Markham Bypass has got to be the stupidest road project ever. It swings west from the top of Morningside, then swings way east before swinging way west again to link up with Hwy. 48 near Major Mack. Why didn't the powers that be just link Morningside up with Ninth Line (a practical new concession-type arterial in a growing area) instead building this road which is useless as a practical north-south route, considering Ninth line has an interchange with the 407 and bypasses Box Grove anyways?
 
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