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Archivistower
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I propose that MikeToronto be sent to Iran as an emissary of Canadian understanding. Good luck Mike! Remember to bring some maple syrup.
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afransen TO
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"That takes more guts than most people have."
Delete guts and insert fanaticism and I'll agree with you. Don't these people think that they'll be showered in gifts from their God for killing the infidels rather than ending their existence in a petty act of murder against innocents?
Delete guts and insert fanaticism and I'll agree with you. Don't these people think that they'll be showered in gifts from their God for killing the infidels rather than ending their existence in a petty act of murder against innocents?
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EnviroTO
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-Sactions on all countries that harbour terrorism and have anti west leaders, like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
"Anti-west leaders" is vague. I'm not a big fan of many leaders in the west including our own and I'm not a big fan of the foreign policy, politics, and bureaucracy in many western countries but I am certainly no threat and make no threat to them either.
-Ban all travel between Canada and any country that has sactions on it like Iran. And that travel ban would stay in effect till these countries modernize their thinking.
How long ago was it that Canada first allowed women to vote and the US ended segregation? Compare the conditions of the US and Canada at those times in economic and educational development terms. It really wasn't that long ago and the development of Canada and the US was much further along. Modernizing the economies of these countries is probably the best way to get them all properly educated and to reduce the threat.
-Ban on foreign ownership of Canadian companies and places. Such as Fairmont. The king of Saudi Arabia or whatever should not have been allowed to pruchase a Canadian company, knowing his country believes in hurting the west.
But other countries allow Canadian companies to own businesses in their countries. Many of the Canadian resource companies, high-tech companies, and banks have foreign businesses or subsidiaries. Banning it outright is the death of corporate offices in Canada.
-Mandatory diversity training for all new immigrants to Canada.
Do you have a course outline for the course? That would make a fun read.
-Monitoring of all religious schools in Canada by secret inspectors, to make sure hatred is not being taught behind closed doors.
For example, any religious school that teaches things like being gay is a sin or that people who don't believe in god will go to hell should be shut down. That kind of hatred has no place in Canada. To say that someone would go to hell because they don't believe in the same thing is just so backwards.
-Ten year min deportation law, where new immigrants to Canada can be deported within that time span for doing criminal activity, or terrorism plotting, etc.
That means it will take 10 years to get citizenship. Most immigrants are good people and are here for the right reasons and you are going to make them wait 7 more years because a few people out of hundreds of thousands are criminals? How does it deal with all the home grown wackos like Timothy McVeigh, the KKK, or the Waco Texas bunch?
Lets not deny that white people that grew up here are capable of dispicable crimes too. It is so easy to paint all our problems as some sort of immigrant problem or race related problem but that is far too superficial to lead to real solutions to the problem. Problems are solved by taking ownership of the problem, analyzing the root causes, and figuring out the solution. Not knee jerk reactions that summarize these people as being "against our values" or simply label the problem "an immigrant problem".
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miketoronto
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Immigration is great. However Canada must set out the law and make it known to immigrants coming here, that they must follow our laws and like Canada, and that hatred for our people and plotting terrorism, etc will not be tolerated.
Yes most of our new immigrants are totally good people, working hard.
However we do have a minority of immigrants coming in now, that do not want to mix into Canadian culture, and are going to cause problems if we do not set them straight now, that they are going to have to mix in.
I love having tons of new immigrants moving into Scarborough. Its great to know people from all cultures.
But whatI think is discusting is the new immigrants moving into Scarborough that then have the nerve to turn their heads to their neighbours who happen to be white, and say hello to them on the street. Or that their kids are standing on the sidewalks infront of high-rise apartments telling other kids they can't walk on that side of the sidewalk, because they are not from the same country as them. Or immigrant parents telling their kids to stay away from those "immoral white Canadians who don't get proper arranged marriages", etc.
Well all you dudes. Stuff like that is happening right now in Toronto. And stuff like that must be stopped, or we are going to have problems in the future.
Its that kind of attitude that is going to lead to terrorism, if we don't put a stop to it now.
And maybe if you guys actually had immigrant friends, you would know this stuff. But you all are stuck in your little whiter then white downtown neighbourhoods.
We did not have any terrorism problems like this untill this decade. So something is up.
We even had muslim immigration decades ago, and had no problems. But now we are seeing a huge terrorism uprise. Something is going on, and we gotta get to the bottom of it and find out why.
Yes most of our new immigrants are totally good people, working hard.
However we do have a minority of immigrants coming in now, that do not want to mix into Canadian culture, and are going to cause problems if we do not set them straight now, that they are going to have to mix in.
I love having tons of new immigrants moving into Scarborough. Its great to know people from all cultures.
But whatI think is discusting is the new immigrants moving into Scarborough that then have the nerve to turn their heads to their neighbours who happen to be white, and say hello to them on the street. Or that their kids are standing on the sidewalks infront of high-rise apartments telling other kids they can't walk on that side of the sidewalk, because they are not from the same country as them. Or immigrant parents telling their kids to stay away from those "immoral white Canadians who don't get proper arranged marriages", etc.
Well all you dudes. Stuff like that is happening right now in Toronto. And stuff like that must be stopped, or we are going to have problems in the future.
Its that kind of attitude that is going to lead to terrorism, if we don't put a stop to it now.
And maybe if you guys actually had immigrant friends, you would know this stuff. But you all are stuck in your little whiter then white downtown neighbourhoods.
We did not have any terrorism problems like this untill this decade. So something is up.
We even had muslim immigration decades ago, and had no problems. But now we are seeing a huge terrorism uprise. Something is going on, and we gotta get to the bottom of it and find out why.
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Darkstar416
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Let's stop feeding this troll. This takes the cake. He doesn't speak for us or know where we live nor does he know who are friends are or where we've grown up. If everyone would stop feeding his idiotic posts, the intelligence level of this forum would rise exponentially.And maybe if you guys actually had immigrant friends, you would know this stuff. But you all are stuck in your little whiter then white downtown neighbourhoods.
MikeToronto I am embarassed to have you as a citizen of Toronto.
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bizorky
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^I can't help myself.
What's whiter than white? What does that actually mean? Are you, in fact, indentifying people solely on the basis or race or skin colour? Are you using the term in a derogatory manner? Does that not make you a racist, mike?
Just to remind you mike, here is a quote of your own:
Sounds like your nabe is a little on the white side, too, amid all that diversity.
And maybe if you guys actually had immigrant friends, you would know this stuff. But you all are stuck in your little whiter then white downtown neighbourhoods.
What's whiter than white? What does that actually mean? Are you, in fact, indentifying people solely on the basis or race or skin colour? Are you using the term in a derogatory manner? Does that not make you a racist, mike?
Just to remind you mike, here is a quote of your own:
Also there are areas in Toronto where we mix. In school for example I had classmates from all different backrounds. Yes my street was almost all white, but down the block was high-rise apartments with all different cultures, etc. So everyone mixed.
Sounds like your nabe is a little on the white side, too, amid all that diversity.
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EnviroTO
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Also there are areas in Toronto where we mix. In school for example I had classmates from all different backrounds. Yes my street was almost all white, but down the block was high-rise apartments with all different cultures, etc. So everyone mixed.
If the white people have the houses and the other people are all living in rental apartments that is an example of what we should be trying to overcome, not what we should be aiming for. A more successful picture of multiculturalism would have a mix of people in the houses and in the apartments.
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bizorky
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-Sactions on all countries that harbour terrorism and have anti west leaders, like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
-Ban all travel between Canada and any country that has sactions on it like Iran. And that travel ban would stay in effect till these countries modernize their thinking.
-Ban on immigration from countries that have sactions and travel bans. Immigration ban would stay in effect till these countries prove they have changed their thinking.
-Ban on foreign ownership of Canadian companies and places. Such as Fairmont. The king of Saudi Arabia or whatever should not have been allowed to pruchase a Canadian company, knowing his country believes in hurting the west.
-Mandatory diversity training for all new immigrants to Canada.
-Monitoring of all religious schools in Canada by secret inspectors, to make sure hatred is not being taught behind closed doors.
-Ten year min deportation law, where new immigrants to Canada can be deported within that time span for doing criminal activity, or terrorism plotting, etc.
So you would punish entire populations on the basis of the actions of the national leaders?
Ban the travel of Canadians to countries until those countries "modernize" their thinking? What do you mean by modernizing thinking? This is so vague as to me meaningless.
Ban immigration from countries where you would have sanctions imposed upon (and I think the word you are reaching for is sanctions)? What if some of those people want to escape represive governments? Why mike, you would punish them! It has nothing to do with who they are, but where they are from. Very, very unmodern thinking. Maybe you should be banned until you modernize your own thinking.
Ban on foreign ownership of Canadian companies. You won't mind if they do the same to us, would you?
Mandatory diversity training? What the hell does that mean? Diversity is the state of things now. What you actually want, but are too timid to express, is mandatory homogenization of thinking.
Secret monitoring of religious schools by inspectors? Well heck, why stop there! Why not the secret monitoring of homes and religious institutions! Why so timid mike? Why not come right out in favour of a police state?
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ganjavih
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MikeToronto I am embarassed to have you as a citizen of Toronto.
He'll make up for it as city councillor. After all the nice things he's said about Muslims, Blacks, Italians and Homosexuals, he's bound to win!
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scarberiankhatru
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An immigration ban, heck, even a travel ban, on a country would not be the worst idea in the world if all of the terrorists came from a single country, but they don't. There's no way to use passports to stop an ideology from crossing borders and the fact that some of the suspects (or was it most of them) were born here proves that there's really no way to filter the dangerous few Muslims from the majority that oppose terrorism. I'd suggest more celebrity/corporate involvement in the fight to win over Muslim hearts and minds, but I don't think the "Jessica Simpson to give free iPods to every Muslim youth" campaign would go over too well.
"Delete guts and insert fanaticism and I'll agree with you."
Meh, religious fanaticism is just another incentive. Virtually all "brave" actions are done with a strong incentive in mind, be it money, fame, respect, love, selfishness, ego, immortality, whatever. Unless the action is a spontaneous reflex (like pulling someone out of a burning car, although that's hardly instinct since for every person that does that, two or three will stand there and watch the guy die...just like those Bank of Scotland "less talk, more action" commercials), you can sort of group all of these together with fanaticism and call them guts if you're consciously overriding your sense of self-preservation. And it's my post so I can use whatever definition I want.
"Delete guts and insert fanaticism and I'll agree with you."
Meh, religious fanaticism is just another incentive. Virtually all "brave" actions are done with a strong incentive in mind, be it money, fame, respect, love, selfishness, ego, immortality, whatever. Unless the action is a spontaneous reflex (like pulling someone out of a burning car, although that's hardly instinct since for every person that does that, two or three will stand there and watch the guy die...just like those Bank of Scotland "less talk, more action" commercials), you can sort of group all of these together with fanaticism and call them guts if you're consciously overriding your sense of self-preservation. And it's my post so I can use whatever definition I want.
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miketoronto
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You guys make a bigger thing out of what people say then you really need to. So I said we should get tough with certain countries for a while. First, its not like its going to ever happen. So why get all upset.
Funny thing is you guys are making such a big deal, because of what I said(which the things I said would never even happen in a million years anyway, because they are just my personal views when I get upset about people harming our country)but from what I hear on the streets, most Canadian's think more conservative about this issue then I do.
Listen to the people talking on the streets or in the buses. Most of them would ban contact with all the countries harbouring hate twords Canada. So you guys think everyone is so liberal here and just o.k. with all this terrorist crap, etc. Well they are not. You guys are stuck in some politically correct little cloud.
Funny thing is you guys are making such a big deal, because of what I said(which the things I said would never even happen in a million years anyway, because they are just my personal views when I get upset about people harming our country)but from what I hear on the streets, most Canadian's think more conservative about this issue then I do.
Listen to the people talking on the streets or in the buses. Most of them would ban contact with all the countries harbouring hate twords Canada. So you guys think everyone is so liberal here and just o.k. with all this terrorist crap, etc. Well they are not. You guys are stuck in some politically correct little cloud.
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miketoronto
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MikeToronto I am embarassed to have you as a citizen of Toronto.
Yeah its so embarrasing having a citizen who cares about Toronto.
You guys don't even personally know me, and know what I am like, so don't even go judging me by an internet board. You all have some serious issues.
I tell you, its so tough having a citizen like me who actually goes out there standing up for the TTC, for our city, etc.
90% of the people on this forum have a real serious attitude problem. I am more embarrased by many of you guys, then myself. Because deep down I know myself that I am good guy that cares about my city, people, etc. And I don't need some guys on a internet forum who think they are some superior form of citizen, telling me what I am like. I will go by the people I actually know for their opinion on me.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Mike:
Are you saying that what you've said on here isn't representative of who you are? Or are you saying that you consciously chose to not raise these issues in public in spite of having such strong opinions?
Either way, I think there some rather serious issues.
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Are you saying that what you've said on here isn't representative of who you are? Or are you saying that you consciously chose to not raise these issues in public in spite of having such strong opinions?
Either way, I think there some rather serious issues.
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miketoronto
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No they are not serious issues. If I think people should not be sleeping around as much, or that there is racism in the Italian community, or that Canada has to get tougher with new immigrants. That is my view, and you guys should not get all upset about it, because its different from yours. So much for respecting other peoples views. You guys only respect people's views if they are the same as yours.
You all got a chip on your shoulder with me when I made the comment about gay people sleeping around to much. And ever since then you have all been out there to get me at any point you can. Just because my views are different sometimes from yours.
No wonder our forum has a bad name in the architecture circles. Everyone thinks this forum is a bunch of snobs, and sometimes I can see why. This forum use to be interesting, and have people who respected each other. But it has gone down the drain to be honest.
And I am sorry for posting this stuff on here, but I am sorry, I am not going to let people bash me anymore and not say anything about it. So I played devils advocate or whatever and said we should ban contact with terrorist countries. So what, lets here your opinions, you don't need to go calling me a bad person, etc, because I put out a viewpoint that could start some amazing talk if people got off trying to think I am some racist person.
You all got a chip on your shoulder with me when I made the comment about gay people sleeping around to much. And ever since then you have all been out there to get me at any point you can. Just because my views are different sometimes from yours.
No wonder our forum has a bad name in the architecture circles. Everyone thinks this forum is a bunch of snobs, and sometimes I can see why. This forum use to be interesting, and have people who respected each other. But it has gone down the drain to be honest.
And I am sorry for posting this stuff on here, but I am sorry, I am not going to let people bash me anymore and not say anything about it. So I played devils advocate or whatever and said we should ban contact with terrorist countries. So what, lets here your opinions, you don't need to go calling me a bad person, etc, because I put out a viewpoint that could start some amazing talk if people got off trying to think I am some racist person.
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adma
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No wonder our forum has a bad name in the architecture circles. Everyone thinks this forum is a bunch of snobs, and sometimes I can see why. This forum use to be interesting, and have people who respected each other. But it has gone down the drain to be honest.
Er, it isn't that *you'd* have a terribly good name "in the architectural circles", either--indeed, aside from general planning issues, I'm not sure where your *stylistic* taste lies; and if it's anything like those family members, neighbours, etc you make such an effort to stand up for, well...