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Accessibility and the TTC

drum118 said:
They have to by law and have to 2025 to do so. Both stations are to be done at the end of others.
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If Metrolinx takes over the subway capital program I'll put $100 on this deadline getting an extension from the province.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
If they do have to take them off line for matetince they can run a shuttle bus to the next station that has one working for people that need it. If you look at every station beside every elevator there are also instructions on how to get access to the station if it's out of service.
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TTC can get away with what they have posted until 2025, but after 2025 its supposed to be a different game. TTC not going to run a shuttle bus for a few riders and if they did, it will have poor headway.
 
drum118 said:
TTC can get away with what they have posted until 2025, but after 2025 its supposed to be a different game. TTC not going to run a shuttle bus for a few riders and if they did, it will have poor headway.
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True but by 2025 they will have more elevators in play like for example now if you can't use one of the elevators at Victoria park they say to go to either Warden or main street and come back after changing trains at one of them,.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
True but by 2025 they will have more elevators in play like for example now if you can't use one of the elevators at Victoria park they say to go to either Warden or main street and come back after changing trains at one of them,.
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Yes that can be done, but how much extra travel time does a rider have to loose before it becomes a problem?? Then, what happens if the opposite elevator is out of service or the only one from the concourse to surface is out for both platforms??? Need 2 elevators for each elevator per station.
 
drum118 said:
Yes that can be done, but how much extra travel time does a rider have to loose before it becomes a problem?? Then, what happens if the opposite elevator is out of service or the only one from the concourse to surface is out for both platforms??? Need 2 elevators for each elevator per station.
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Maybe they will go back and add them where they can but there are some that they can only have one elevator in due to existing infrastructure.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
Maybe they will go back and add them where they can but there are some that they can only have one elevator in due to existing infrastructure.
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It can be done when the 2nd exit are being built or in a different location. That 2nd elevator should have been in the new subway extension stations, but cost forced the lack of the 2nd one. Its only money not having 2.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
If they do have to take them off line for matetince they can run a shuttle bus to the next station that has one working for people that need it. If you look at every station beside every elevator there are also instructions on how to get access to the station if it's out of service.
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Yeah, they would likely just run a Wheel-Trans shuttle, to the next available accessible station. They did that a few years ago when the Dundas West station elevator was down for maintenance for a few months.
 
drum118 said:
TTC can get away with what they have posted until 2025, but after 2025 its supposed to be a different game. TTC not going to run a shuttle bus for a few riders and if they did, it will have poor headway.
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Good point, that the shuttle services to and from accessible/inaccessible stations would have a bad headway, but read what I said above, they did when Dundas West Station's elevator was down for a few months in 2015, so TTC can do it.
 
W. K. Lis said:

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Probably a safety issue just like with putting a wheelchair lift on to one of the now retired CLRVs if someone rolled back by accident they could be seriously hurt or possibly killed plus as I said on the main TTC thread it would inconvenience other people who might need to use the escalator well they stop it and loaf the wheelchair user on it, plus the need for a dedicated attended for it, I don't see the TTC retrofitting escalators like this or building them in the future.
 
Both TTC and Metrolinx been a joke when it comes to elevators and been accessibly. Even some business fall into this mess if the building was built after 1996. Even then, it going to be tough to get 2 or more elevators in where none or one exist today. Even access to business on a main street have a step in many locations to get inside where some have built a ramp for accessibility.

Ramps should be built where they can in place of an elevators as it will be less costly to build, but to maintain them without a accessibly person finding no elevator in service once they got to X. I see tons of email from GO saying the only elevator to get to the westbound platform at Port Credit is out of service. Standard lines was to go to Clarkson to get back to PC that over a hour trip. Before them, it was to Oakville which is close to 3 hour trip.

Have said that, we are far ahead of the US for transit accessibly considering their ADA been around lot longer than ours with no drop dead date unlike 2025 for ours. Been a lot of lawsuits for accessibly and still is today.

Europe is moving at a faster rate to make transit/rail accessibly these days than NA.

Trying to use escalators in place of elevators is worse that an rider has a greater changes of being injure or kill using it as well anyone behind them. Seen a lot of escalators out of service these days for TTC.
 
drum118 said:
Trying to use escalators in place of elevators is worse that an rider has a greater changes of being injure or kill using it as well anyone behind them. Seen a lot of escalators out of service these days for TTC.
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A lot of the TTC escalators are older and need to have parts replaced on them. Many other places have to do the same thing but it's less noticeable when there are multiple escalators like somewhere like the Eaton centre.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
A lot of the TTC escalators are older and need to have parts replaced on them. Many other places have to do the same thing but it's less noticeable when there are multiple escalators like somewhere like the Eaton centre.
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That is why you need more than one per platform as well look at doing a full replacement of new ones based on the age of it and maintenance record.
 
drum118 said:
That is why you need more than one per platform as well look at doing a full replacement of new ones based on the age of it and maintenance record.
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The problem is space in the older stations as they weren't designed for them or more than one in the first place. For example when I was in high school was when they installed the escalator at Greenwood station from the mezzanine level to the main level it took about a year for them to do it and they removed a set of stairs to do it. It's easy to look at things now and say they should have done this or that but you have to take in to account when something was built in the first place as well.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
The problem is space in the older stations as they weren't designed for them or more than one in the first place. For example when I was in high school was when they installed the escalator at Greenwood station from the mezzanine level to the main level it took about a year for them to do it and they removed a set of stairs to do it. It's easy to look at things now and say they should have done this or that but you have to take in to account when something was built in the first place as well.
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Most things where not built for accessibility as those people were keep out of the public eye. Even the president of the US who had to use a wheelchair after getting polio was not to be seen in one. There is the odd photo of him in one including in the white house at his desk..

Elevators and escalators where late 1800. When the subway was built in the 40's, there were no thought about the type of ridership the stations see to day nor the thought about accessibility issues. TTC and the city knew in the early 90's that a new fleet of streetcars and buses has to be order and to include the need for accessibility..

All of TTC busy subway stations cannot be expanded for longer platforms or wider ones without tearing existing building down or do major shut down to redevelop them.to get wider platforms. This will not be cheap or easy to do.

Even today there is a lack of vision what new stations may look like 50-100 year from now.
 
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