The lingering issues that are there, can be compared to the impact of segregation in the US. It caused poverty and social stratification, which will take some time to erase. But to suggest that Indians practice the caste system like they did even prior to independence is absolutely ludicrous and ignorant.
Would you at least agree that major inequalities are there and are not going away anytime soon? Would you agree that the cities get the overwhelming bulk of development funds, while peasants in the countryside are screwed? In most peril the indigenous, who barely manage to make a meal living off of the land. They are treated like they don't exist.
Hell, my indian professor told me the other day that there is literally a civil war going on. Can't say too much on it, but here's a link that I found -
http://www.passtheroti.com/posts/2205 - not that I bothered to look hard, just a few seconds.
Even beyond that though, you have to yet to show anything backing up your thesis that we'd see race riots if non-white immigration increases.
I feel that we will see race riots if ANY group starts increasing extremely rapidly, regardless of where they are from - and it will probably only be worse if they are not whites, as the differences then are even more pronounced.
Really? Do you even have close Muslim friends? You'd be surprised at how they assimilate. Most Muslims I know for example will drink. They just don't do it to excess and do it in public. Just because you don't know too many Muslims or understand their cultural dynamics when they migrate does not mean that what you assume to be true automatically is. That's the height of both your arrogance and ignorance.
I am talking about their religion. I did not talk about certain numbers of them.
We will always be returning to the problem of their religion. Their religion is a repressive anti-democratic authoritarian dictatorship system.
Do you really think that I beleive that they all pray five times a day? No, I do not think that they all do. I think that the fanaticism is too strict for even themselves. I think that this thing is insane.
And most importantly, I think that islam is about expanding and taking over, as has been seen in various places around the world.
Because I did not include criticism about other religions, it does not mean that it is not there. Puritan sects that settled in new england were just as bad bastards, if not worse. Even many groups today are no good scum that just want to use people, to make a quick profit. Islam though is a bigger project.
How many Bar/Bat Mitzvahs you been to where they read the good book in English?
That is not the ponit. The point is that their religious books can be read in english, they are written in english. With islam their stuff has to be in arabic - very downright wrong, in my opinion. I have a problem with the jewish religion too, because it is an ethnic religion - who is of jewish religion must be ethnically jewish. If you are not ethnically jewish you can not be jewish. Rather discriminatory if you ask me. Kinda like a cult, ya know? But, like I said, at the very least they are more open to the english language in their religion and do not restrict their holy text to being only in hebrew.
More ignorant crap. So now we should exclude people solely because they practice their religion? Are you going to send out the stazi next time my mom says the rosary on the subway ride to work?
Sure. If we get those who adher only to satan and feel that hitler is god, I would ban them too. Remember those backward african groups that do female circumcision, only because it is their dumb tradition? I would ban those primitive guys as well.
It's virtually the entire Serbian community in the GTA.
That really is B.S. The older serbian folk are together - the old generation naturally clings together. But most of the young serbs have lost their language and even bigger numbers do not only hang out with their own kin. I know that for a fact.
I in fact, as a serb, do not even hang out with serbs whatsoever.
I can pull some number out of my ass that says the majority of them do. But hey, you barely even visit the GTA annually, so you must know more than me.
When I was young I knew many many of them. The bulk of the serbian kids came here in the early 1990s, or mid 1990s, when they were young. And they lost their language very very fast. I even spoke english more at at time - we moved though, and that kinda reduced that english intake - changing environment, you know? But the point is that few of the people I knew when I was young still speak serbian. Some understand a fair deal of it, but few speak it. For crying out loud, even at folklore - both in the us and canada, the serbain youth speaks english almost entirely. If that does not say something, I do not know what does.
The same thing that happened when you got a million chinese into Scarborough, Richmond Hill and Markham. Nothing. The rest of us got better Chinese food. And Chinese people started getting authentic pizza from the family owned Italian pizza joints.
One fifth of the GTA is not chinese, is it? Check your numbers,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto
At any rate, what this guy who opened the topic is calling for is far more than just one million, and far faster too.
You don't need to know Mandarin or Cantonese to get a job. Might not hurt to know another language. But it's definitely not required.
If we did get so many people, then we will be required to know other languages in order to get service jobs.
You do know that Spanish has always been spoken in the Southwestern US right? They were after all part of Mexico until a century and a half ago.
Don't worry amigo, I know very well that the US stole much land from Mexico. They even had a plan to buy baja california.
At any rate, back in the 1840s there were very few hispanic people in those places. The main people there were native americans... mexicans had not migrated that far north yet - kinda like nunavut and canada - there are not many people there.
Opperatino gate keeper is a book that might interest you.
At any rate, the US has long treated latin america as its toilet, occupying countries down there for long periods of time, organizing coups, even sterilizing much of some populations. Not saying it's right, but is the relationship that we are dealing with. As you see with that recent immigration law thing going on arizona... not saying it's right, but the overwhelming majority of whites down there support that. Guess why. Because people do not harmoneously come to together and love one another, especially if it involves rapid change in ethnic composition.
just like how they get to pick their own immigrants (which is what made the assertion that they lost because of immigrants particularly ridiculous).
To my knowledge they do not pick, canada picks, and gives priority to immigrants who want to move to the western provinces or to quebec.
It is a fact that the referendum failed due to minorities. Didn't the separtist leader even say that, and was forced to resign because he stated the truth? Feel free to read that article anyway, the new york times is not too bad.
Trudeau opened up to non-white immigration (it was a trickle prior to that) expanding on Pearson's policies on immigration (who had already shown an intention to open up to non-whites).
It's relatively little in my opinion, quite insignificant compared to this multi million person a year immigration that is being called for in this topic.
Given that Canada does not have the same history of acrimonious race relations, I fail to see what the American experience applies here.
The only reason why is because there were fewer other groups than in the US. If millions of blacks had gone to the US cities like they did in the US, then the same thing would have happened. People like to be with their own kind, and as a result segregation to some extent will happen. This was especially obvious in US cities where whites were and still are hostile to blacks moving into their neighborhoods. This is what people fail to realize, that difference exists, that we are not all the same. Ignoring these considerations has brought about serious problems, in which all sides suffered.
Our Muslims haven't turned Toronto into Londonistan
Sure they haven't. But follow up on the plan to import 5 million of them or more to the GTA, and I'll ask you what will happen then.
What you are comparing, what we have now, is a very small muslim community. People can not comprehend what it would be like to have a major one. Or perhaps they do and want that, because they themselves are muslim.
At any rate, I think it would be fair to say that the opinions here vary differently regarding to various ethnic groups. Like in the US, the hispanics are very enthusiastic to immigration, while most whites are not.
The opinions and views here do not reflect those of the people of canada as a whole. Perhaps those of minorities.
The bottom line is that nobody is insane enough to want such rapid population growth via getting migrants to come o'er.
