afransen
Senior Member
The problem is that they have no legitimacy to implement this policy at this point. The Conservatives will, rightly, scream bloody murder that Trudeau is trying to rig the system to save his party.
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picard102
Senior Member
The legitimacy is that this is what people voted for them to do.
afransen
Senior Member
Legitimacy is a fickle thing. They had a mandate in 2015. Not so much anymore. Especially when you're talking about changing the rules of the game. It has to be above reproach.
lenaitch
Senior Member
I suppose they could try, but most alternative voting systems tend to fragment voting intentions. It might block the CPC but it also might be seen to fragment their own base. No clue how the numbers would turn out and I doubt they would try until the party has gamed it. By the time a Bill is drafted and run through the legislative process, I'm not sure there would be enough time unless they have a Bill in their back pocket. I would imagine the Senate would bog it down as best they could.
Any proposed system that has any impact on ridings would impact Elections Canada as well as all the party riding associations, fundraising, etc.
christiesplits
Senior Member
Minister of Labour and Seniors Seamus O’Regan announced he's resigning from Trudeau's cabinet and not running for re-election.
globalnews.ca
I wouldn't be surprised to see more cabinet ministers say they're not running for re-election in the coming months. A lucrative role in the private sector is more appealing than four years in the opposition benches, especially if you don't have leadership ambitions.
Longtime Liberal minister Seamus O’Regan quitting cabinet - National | Globalnews.ca
O’Regan is a longtime Newfoundland MP who was first elected for St. John’s South-Mount Pearl in 2015. The announcement comes as the Liberals continue to wane in popularity.
globalnews.ca
I wouldn't be surprised to see more cabinet ministers say they're not running for re-election in the coming months. A lucrative role in the private sector is more appealing than four years in the opposition benches, especially if you don't have leadership ambitions.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Unless the NDP votes out the government aren’t we more than a year away from an election in Oct 2025? That might be sufficient time. Trudeau’s 2015 proposal was for a referendum - I’m not sure if that would expedite or delay any decisions and implementations.
Why Trudeau Abandoned Electoral Reform | Literary Review of Canada
It was incontestably part of the Liberal platform in 2015. Liberal leader Justin Trudeau solemnly pledged to change the electoral system so that the next election, presumably in 2019, would be decided by a new way to count votes. The Special Committee on Electoral Reform was created in the...
reviewcanada.ca
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kEiThZ
Superstar
When has anybody cared about legitimacy when doing drastic things in recent memory?
They didn't run on letting in a million marginally qualified immigrants per year. They did it anyway.
Would it be bad for democracy? Absolutely. Does anybody actually care about democracy these days? Probably the Ukrainians more than us.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I can't see the upside for Trudeau or the LPC in this at all. You're not creating a reliable pool of future LPC voters. You're reducing the cost of labour for menial and lowskilled work, but the owners of that work won't be swayed to vote LPC either way.
Did Trudeau ever tell us why he was boosting immigration?
picard102
Senior Member
An aging population with a low birth rate. Who's going to pay for boomers retirement.
Towered
Superstar
Japan is far worse off in that regard - why aren't they scrambling to import foreign workers?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Nevermind that - is there an insurmountable labour deficit in the low-skilled service sector,. especially considering the unemployment rate?
AoD
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Japan will be fine. Eventually when the last two sources of overpopulated cheap labour, Africa and the Indian subcontinent modernize their birthrates will also plummet. So, we might as well prepare ourselves and follow Japan's lead on how to address the issues without relying on migration.
afransen
Senior Member
I'm not sure how much of this was intentional or just a lack of control. They relaxed some rules around student visas and how schools could bring in international students and the numbers absolutely exploded. I don't think there were targets or quotas involved. More incompetence and lack of foresight.
picard102
Senior Member
They chose to have a less robust pension plan for their ageing population. We could certainly make that change here, but I doubt that will win any elections.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Low wage workers will simply create bigger liabilities down the line. This is can kicking, not problem solving.