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2022/24 Russian-Ukrainian War

max said:
At this point, the fact that he hasn't made some kind of public statement means it's virtually impossible he was on the other plane that was able to land in Moscow.

As for how they would have identified the body, we don't know how badly disfigured it was in the crash. They could have also found ID on him, or clothing that matched what he was wearing when he got on the plane. Not sure how fast DNA or dental records would be but maybe those could be used? If this was targeted, they could have made sure to have any records they'd need for quick ID as they'd want to be certain they got him.

As @Richard White notes, they did know he was on the plane too, publicly they are acknowledging he was on the manifest. Apparently he had the second plane as a decoy, but they may have also been surveilling the airport and thus ensured he was on the plane beforehand.
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All good points, especially considering that many countries aren't as definitive in confirming the identity of dead bodies as we are. Can you imagine a plane crash in North America and the carrier publicly releasing the manifest that day and saying 'these are the victims'? Or somebody trudging through the debris saying 'that's Bob'?

Same day DNA/dental records is only on TV. In Canada, and I will assume elsewhere in real, functioning countries, the identity of an intact dead body, carrying identification and not under medical care is typically confirmed visually by a NOK, dental records, perhaps a day because pathologists don't do autopsies at the scene, or DNA (6-8 weeks, maybe their military is faster).
 
W. K. Lis said:
Weren't the Ukrainians, both cilivians, military, bureaucrats, and politicians, at one time "trained" by the Russians? Hard to break out of a habit. Hopefully, this was only a "one of".
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That is one of your strangest posts, there has been no evidence I have heard about of Ukrainian "window malfunctions" or planes crashing.
 
Richard White said:
Kim Jong Un is meeting with Putin in Russia to discuss supplying weapons for use in Ukraine.

ELI5. Isn't North Korean tech inferior?

BBC News - Kim Jong Un to visit Putin in Russia for arms talks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-66713476
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I would be careful with making the assertion that the DPRK has inferior military capabilities. Sure they might lack in some military tech but they no doubt have also excelled in other military tech such as chemical and biological weapons. This is also a country who’s devoted so much of its spending towards the military and also has a historical foundation of chemical and biological research that originated from colonial occupation under the Japanese.

The DPRK also has a vast military manufacturing base geared for mass producing conventional artillery that didn’t suffer from a post-Soviet decline. One of the things the general public doesn’t understand about North Korea and why Seoul is so reluctant to prod and or do anything that might lead to a shelling is:

9.9 million people in Seoul who are just 23 Km from the DMZ. The DPRK has hundreds of conventional artillery pointed at Seoul to this day.
 
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Just to add to the above. The tech may be inferior but their industrial capacity in certain areas may actually be better. They've had to go out of their way to overcome sanctions. This is an experience Russia doesn't really have till now.
 
kEiThZ said:
Just to add to the above. The tech may be inferior but their industrial capacity in certain areas may actually be better. They've had to go out of their way to overcome sanctions. This is an experience Russia doesn't really have till now.
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This is one of those times where you can really see how far downhill Russia has gone since the collapse of the USSR
 
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