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2014 Municipal Election: Toronto Mayoral Race

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In addition to all the above: Fat Boy loves being the center of attention, and having his gigantic ass kissed. He loves being a Big Shot, and more importantly, as being treated as a Big Shot. He loves sticking it to perceived 'enemies,' which mostly seems to be made up people who don't kiss his gigantic ass to his satisfaction. ("Elitists," in other words.) He loves all the trappings of being Mayor, but not any of the boring, faggy, elitist stuff like work, diplomacy, or building consensus.

So, yeah, Ford loves his idea of what a Mayor is, as the Lemur pointed out just above: Being the biggest, meanest bully on the block.
 

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It is just about time for J Tory to walk away...He doesn't seem to have his heart in it...yeah...yeah...I know it is early however I've come to believe that J Tory really didn't want to throw his hat in the ring nevertheless did because of a seeming groundswell to "coronation"... he wasn't and isn't ready for a proverbial streetfight...He should throw his support behind David Soknacki as DS seems ready willing and able to take it to both Chow and Ford (Stintz is a nonfactor)
If anything, Soknacki will most likely end up endorsing Chow at some point during the summer (my guess is June or July), whereas Stintz will end up endorsing Tory probably around August.
 

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I guess he loves Toronto the way an abusive partner would love their spouse. Oh the irony.

As to work being done, well, we know, running a city isn't a 9 to 5 job...it's a 10 to 2 one. 10 am and 2 pm, that is.
Thank you for making my point by highlighting the most important difference between the private sector and the bureaucracy—and by surrogacy, Rob Ford and the rest.

In the private sector success is measured in accomplishments and achievements not time sheets. Successful businessmen know it's not about when you clock in and clock out or irrelevant personal issues on private time.

Irregardless, it's better than the alternative of waking up the next morning finding yourself in a loveless sham marriage. I'd feel bad for the kids.

At the end of the day you have to walk a mile in the shoes of real folks: Who would they rather vote for?

Someone who loves being mayor, is in it for the little guy, and wants to stay happily married or a lifelong professional do-nothinger who doesn't want the job and hates kids?

I'm not being hyperbolical when I say Toronto is probably on the primordial precipice. Falter now and it will be a nuclear holocaust that the city will never recover from.

The absolute worst case scenario would be to end up with a disinterested mayor who just wants power because he wants to be a puppet for the city hall backroom dealers that Rob Ford declared war on 4 years ago.

However I believe in the good of people.

I'd eat my shoe if on October 27 folks voted for more higher taxes, more streetcars clogging the streets, more garbage strikes, more police corruption, and more cancelled gas plants, over the best mayor they have ever had. Period.
 
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"Last edited by Forgotten; Today at 00:54. Reason: didn't want to be an alarmist"

I think you already fucked that up.

Toronto is probably on the primordial precipice. Falter now and it will be a nuclear holocaust that the city will never recover from

the best mayor they have ever had. Period.

It sounds to me like you like the image Rob Ford painted in 2010: a lone noble cowboy striding into a corrupt town and declaring himself sheriff, the only one who can clean up the corrupt place.

Sounds like you liked that image so much that when Rob Ford turned out to not be any of that, you still clung to the image.

You talk about backroom deals... since Rob Ford came in, there is MORE lobbying, more COMPLAINTS about lobbyists, more conflict-of-interest problems, than before he was mayor. You're buying the rhetoric because the reality is a raw deal.

You want him to be mayor because he made you (and people like you) feel heard. I wish someone who actually lived up to the feeling he gave you were the one in office. Rob Ford is not that person. With all the lying, the taking advantage of people's frustrations with municipal government instead of solving them, the fact that he had his taxpayer-paid office staff calling his drug dealer 139 times... it's not just the problems in his 'personal time'.

He talks like you. He acts like just another politician.
 

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No doubt that Ford was an idiot, but he still created the environment where a better transit plan could be formed. Unfortunately, most councillors do not know anything about transit. The few who do, and the non-elected senior players in municipal and provincial government, thought it more important to defeat Ford than to create better transit. The irony is that Ford would have self destructed regardless, so we could have had both - a better transit plan and a weakend Ford.
I don't understand your point. Ford understands transit? He wants subways, subways, subways. ALL transit lines to be converted to subways. Do you know how much that costs and the time line it would take to do that? Meanwhile, people are being over crowded on subways, street cars and buses during peak times. He wants to cancel street cars. The current street cars downtown are over crowded and they bunch up. If they change it to bus, I don't think that would resolve the issue of the bunching or the over crowding. And with traffic jams, it's not going to go any faster. How is Ford in the know how how to solve this when he always wants to cancel and changing things to his own agenda? With the Scarborough subway conversion from LRT, there are less stops. It will take double the time and money to complete it. How is that a positive thing? And the money that was already spent now lost and signed contract penalties? How is that a savings?
 

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In what universe do you think Soknacki would endorse Chow? They are polar opposites....
In terms of federal/provincial level politics, maybe. But their platforms so far are very, very similar, to the point where Soknacki was almost insinuating Chow's team has been stealing his ideas.
 

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I don't understand your point. Ford understands transit? He wants subways, subways, subways. ALL transit lines to be converted to subways. Do you know how much that costs and the time line it would take to do that? Meanwhile, people are being over crowded on subways, street cars and buses during peak times. He wants to cancel street cars. The current street cars downtown are over crowded and they bunch up. If they change it to bus, I don't think that would resolve the issue of the bunching or the over crowding. And with traffic jams, it's not going to go any faster. How is Ford in the know how how to solve this when he always wants to cancel and changing things to his own agenda? With the Scarborough subway conversion from LRT, there are less stops. It will take double the time and money to complete it. How is that a positive thing? And the money that was already spent now lost and signed contract penalties? How is that a savings?
AKS -- you need to check out BurlOak in the transit threads to understand. Ford, through his complete incompetence, has stumbled within shouting distance of BurlOak's plan, which is the BEST TRANSIT PLAN EVER. So, if we re-elect Ford, there is a ghost of a chance he'll now stick to what he claims is his plan, and it's BO for the win.
 

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Thank you for making my point by highlighting the most important difference between the private sector and the bureaucracy—and by surrogacy, Rob Ford and the rest.

In the private sector success is measured in accomplishments and achievements not time sheets. Successful businessmen know it's not about when you clock in and clock out or irrelevant personal issues on private time.

Irregardless, it's better than the alternative of waking up the next morning finding yourself in a loveless sham marriage. I'd feel bad for the kids.

At the end of the day you have to walk a mile in the shoes of real folks: Who would they rather vote for?

Someone who loves being mayor, is in it for the little guy, and wants to stay happily married or a lifelong professional do-nothinger who doesn't want the job and hates kids?

I'm not being hyperbolical when I say Toronto is probably on the primordial precipice. Falter now and it will be a nuclear holocaust that the city will never recover from.

The absolute worst case scenario would be to end up with a disinterested mayor who just wants power because he wants to be a puppet for the city hall backroom dealers that Rob Ford declared war on 4 years ago.

However I believe in the good of people.

I'd eat my shoe if on October 27 folks voted for more higher taxes, more streetcars clogging the streets, more garbage strikes, more police corruption, and more cancelled gas plants, over the best mayor they have ever had. Period.
Christ, where to begin?

On one hand you write about Ford's drug and alcohol abuse as an "irrelevant personal issue." On the other hand you claim Ford's happy marriage (sic) is somehow relevant and that some other candidate's assumed hatred of kids - WTF - is relevant.

You also seem to live under the delusion that a vote for your straw-person candidate in Toronto's municipal election is somehow a vote for cancelling more gas-fired generating stations. The City of Toronto will have nothing to do with provincial decisions to approve or revoke approval for generating stations in the future.

Also, "irregardless" isn't a word, and your use of "disinterested" is actually an unintended compliment to your anti-Ford candidate. Does language matter? Do facts matter? How about education...are grammar and coherent thought just for the downtown socialist elites? Your post is a perfect example of why either Ford goes or the City has to de-amalgamate.
 

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Thank you for making my point by highlighting the most important difference between the private sector and the bureaucracy—and by surrogacy, Rob Ford and the rest.

In the private sector success is measured in accomplishments and achievements not time sheets. Successful businessmen know it's not about when you clock in and clock out or irrelevant personal issues on private time.

Irregardless, it's better than the alternative of waking up the next morning finding yourself in a loveless sham marriage. I'd feel bad for the kids.

At the end of the day you have to walk a mile in the shoes of real folks: Who would they rather vote for?

Someone who loves being mayor, is in it for the little guy, and wants to stay happily married or a lifelong professional do-nothinger who doesn't want the job and hates kids?

I'm not being hyperbolical when I say Toronto is probably on the primordial precipice. Falter now and it will be a nuclear holocaust that the city will never recover from.

The absolute worst case scenario would be to end up with a disinterested mayor who just wants power because he wants to be a puppet for the city hall backroom dealers that Rob Ford declared war on 4 years ago.

However I believe in the good of people.

I'd eat my shoe if on October 27 folks voted for more higher taxes, more streetcars clogging the streets, more garbage strikes, more police corruption, and more cancelled gas plants, over the best mayor they have ever had. Period.
In the private sector, not in a family-owned business, Rob Ford would never get past the first interview. He wouldn't get accepted at his first job if it wasn't at his family-owned business. He may have the references from his father's contacts, but he himself is limited.
 

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Forgotten said:
The absolute worst case scenario would be to end up with a disinterested mayor who just wants power because he wants to be a puppet for the city hall backroom dealers that Rob Ford declared war on 4 years ago.
To take a couple of points out of so, so many:

Disinterested and uninterested are not synonyms. The latter simply means not interested, the former means not partisan or having been captured by "interests", or partisan groups. The person you describe would be the very slave of such interests, and the very last person I would want governing the city I live in. It is possible to be both passionate and disinterested, an admirable combination of qualities in anyone aspiring to run a jurisdiction of any size.

Unless the Parks Department has been building a gas plant in Allen Gardens on the sly, gas plants are a provincial matter, not a municipal one. Both levels of government have their issues, but complaints about something not in the individual government's purview is unlikely to generate results.
 

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