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180 Sudbury St + 48 Abell St (Queen West Triangle, Gov't Cda+Prov ON+City TO, 2x 19s)
- Thread starter Solaris
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aguduser
A part of UT
Ugly ugly bricks! Wondering if this building will look even worse than its rendering.
Solaris
Senior Member
I don't mind the brick in the rendering so much ... but the beige precast is a little hard to digest in my mind ~
Srin
New Member
Obviously this is not the jewel of the city. Obviously everyone would prefer if ugly buildings didn't go up in Toronto. Unfortunately money is the main factor in building any affordable housing. It shouldn't be but it is.
60 Richmond st. looks fine but does anyone here know how much it cost or how much it will cost to maintain? The money spent on 60 Richmond to get the design it has will be money unavailable for the "revitalization" of any other TCHC properties. The mortgage is always being paid by the tenants' rent so it's hard to argue that cash-strapped housing providers should splurge on cutting-edge design.
Also, this isn't social housing. Most of the people in the building do have a choice. Most of the units aren't subsidized and will be housing anyone who wants to live there. People will choose to live there because at the end of the day it's cheaper to rent and it's available to people who don't have tens of thousands sitting around for a down-payment.
That said, it's a shame it's so ugly.
60 Richmond st. looks fine but does anyone here know how much it cost or how much it will cost to maintain? The money spent on 60 Richmond to get the design it has will be money unavailable for the "revitalization" of any other TCHC properties. The mortgage is always being paid by the tenants' rent so it's hard to argue that cash-strapped housing providers should splurge on cutting-edge design.
Also, this isn't social housing. Most of the people in the building do have a choice. Most of the units aren't subsidized and will be housing anyone who wants to live there. People will choose to live there because at the end of the day it's cheaper to rent and it's available to people who don't have tens of thousands sitting around for a down-payment.
That said, it's a shame it's so ugly.
Solaris
Senior Member
I guess this building is now up ... according to UD:
23 December 2010: What's this phase called? I believe it's actually the tchc building. Verdict?
Srin
New Member
The building is 180 Sudbury street and is owned by St. Clare's Multifaith Housing Society. TCHC is not involved.
Parkdalian
Senior Member
It's pretty much the ugliest of the three Queen West Triangle towers. The bricks looks like plywood.
Automation Gallery
Superstar
Its just a matter of time before that Woolfitts building gets demolished for yet another development.
urbandreamer
recession proof
8 January 2011--got stuck here...it sucked almost as much as this building does.
urbandreamer
recession proof
12 February 2011: Odd how they switched from red brick and decent-looking interior courtyard base to beige dullness on the tower.
condovo
Senior Member
Hideous pile
Automation Gallery
Superstar
After 5 years of talk ..the old building is coming down as we speak for this.
48 ABELL ST
OPA / Rezoning 11 315464 STE 18 OZ Ward 18
- Tor & E.York Nov 24, 2011 --- --- --- ---
Rezoning application to permit an additional 3905m2 of residential gross floor area to the as approved development on the Phase 2 lands in order that the lands may be developed for a new 21 storey building containing 485 dwelling units complete with grade related live work dwelling units and 438 parking spaces located in a below grade parking facility to serve the development
Here is a pic and some talk of the location, from way back in 2006.
http://citynoise.org/article/5488
Also from DCN.......http://www.dailycommercialnews.com/...0d28a9cd4c95&projectid=9068668®ion=ontario
CONDO APARTMENT BUILDING, RETAIL
Proj: 9068668-16
Toronto, Metro Toronto Reg ON
NEGOTIATED/PLANNING
48 Abell St, M6J 3H2
$40,000,000 est
Note: Owner has submitted a rezoning application to increase the gross floor area, number of units and storeys. Timeline for design, tender, and construction is not known at this time. Further update spring 2012.
Project: proposed construction of a 21-storey condominium apartment building containing 485 units. This project will include retail space at grade for a boutique, cafe and convenience stores.
Scope: 321,733 m²; 21 storeys; 1 storey below grade; 485 units
Development: New
Category: Apartment bldgs; Retail, wholesale services; Restaurants
48 ABELL ST
OPA / Rezoning 11 315464 STE 18 OZ Ward 18
- Tor & E.York Nov 24, 2011 --- --- --- ---
Rezoning application to permit an additional 3905m2 of residential gross floor area to the as approved development on the Phase 2 lands in order that the lands may be developed for a new 21 storey building containing 485 dwelling units complete with grade related live work dwelling units and 438 parking spaces located in a below grade parking facility to serve the development
Here is a pic and some talk of the location, from way back in 2006.
http://citynoise.org/article/5488
Also from DCN.......http://www.dailycommercialnews.com/...0d28a9cd4c95&projectid=9068668®ion=ontario
CONDO APARTMENT BUILDING, RETAIL
Proj: 9068668-16
Toronto, Metro Toronto Reg ON
NEGOTIATED/PLANNING
48 Abell St, M6J 3H2
$40,000,000 est
Note: Owner has submitted a rezoning application to increase the gross floor area, number of units and storeys. Timeline for design, tender, and construction is not known at this time. Further update spring 2012.
Project: proposed construction of a 21-storey condominium apartment building containing 485 units. This project will include retail space at grade for a boutique, cafe and convenience stores.
Scope: 321,733 m²; 21 storeys; 1 storey below grade; 485 units
Development: New
Category: Apartment bldgs; Retail, wholesale services; Restaurants
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Towered
Superstar
This project has nothing going for it - it will destroy the existing heritage building (which could easily have been kept as a podium), drive out the artistic types that gave the neighbourhood the appeal that it has, deliver yet more crap architecture like all the other projects around it, and be way too tall for being so close to Queen. A stinker on all fronts.
AlbertC
Superstar
Looks like we've found a general consensus, biggest loser for the 2012 Pug Awards.
Zurdobang
New Member
180 Sudbury
The design of 180 Sudbusry seems perfectly fine to me. It fully conforms with a typology of high rise buildings in the city. It is not a glass box and those who would like it to be should keep in mind that Miesian glass boxes were intended for corporate offices with different climate and energy requirements. Brick is an excellent material for residential towers, its thermal mass regulates night time and daytime temperatures and it has less embodied energy than glass. Any reasonable designer would have chosen this cladding over glazing. In fact the design for 88-90 Carlton Street resembles 180 Sudbury and everyone raved about that building. Thnkfully no one will have to worry about panes of glass falling onto the street.
The design of 180 Sudbusry seems perfectly fine to me. It fully conforms with a typology of high rise buildings in the city. It is not a glass box and those who would like it to be should keep in mind that Miesian glass boxes were intended for corporate offices with different climate and energy requirements. Brick is an excellent material for residential towers, its thermal mass regulates night time and daytime temperatures and it has less embodied energy than glass. Any reasonable designer would have chosen this cladding over glazing. In fact the design for 88-90 Carlton Street resembles 180 Sudbury and everyone raved about that building. Thnkfully no one will have to worry about panes of glass falling onto the street.