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  1. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Another example: According to 2011 Annual Report, Pearson Airport recorded a $17,124,000 net loss in its operational results. (Link below, page 37). I couldn't find a comparable data for Billy Bishop Airport. In the Economic Impact Study published by TPA, there is data about how much each...
  2. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    A good example is Union Station - Pearson Airport Express (UPE) itself: According to Metrolinx, it is 100% funded with a full commitment from the Government of Ontario and total cost for the project is $456 million in 2010 dollars. It is expected to be commissioned in 2015. Once UPE is...
  3. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    True. Problem is, some of us are little bit too bright and not shy jumping to conclusions with limited or no information. I'm not so bright, so I'm trying to dig into the details of this proposal and educate myself what is really being offered, and what will be the mid to long term consequences...
  4. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I'm not surprised. I live in downtown, have no car and travel very frequently for business. Being able to "walk" to the airport is very convenient. Most of my colleagues, friends live close by have the same opinion. From very selfish perspective I prefer to see Porter keep focusing on business...
  5. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Don't you also find it ironic accusing me being a NIMBY, non-ethical person, and crying crocodile tears while giving me a lecture about insinuations and conjecture in the same sentence?
  6. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Thanks. And with my experience having ridden tanks and an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering, can you help me understand: 1 - 08/26 runway lenght of the Billy Bishop Airport is given as 3,988 ft. I assume this is the length between the solid lines after/before chevron areas on...
  7. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Are they asking for something? Free parking, no property taxes for 10 years, ban of Pepsi in downtown? If not, it is not lobbying; they can even sleep together, I don't mind. According to City of Toronto: "Lobbying consists of activities that can influence the opinions or actions of a public...
  8. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Thursday April 11, 2013; Toronto Sun: "The mayor said he spoke with Porter president Bob Deluce “a few days ago†and was briefed on the plan." (Lie) Friday April 12, 2013; The Globe and Mail: "Porter Airlines chief executive officer Robert Deluce met privately with Mr. Ford on Feb. 12 and...
  9. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Please excuse my ignorance, and re-read the statement: "Deluce says Transport Canada is in the midst of an initiative aimed at creating runway safety areas at all airports — an international push to add unpaved safety areas in case an airline overshoots the runway. Pearson has already...
  10. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Since it was done secretly behind the closed doors. To my infomation (please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a lawyer) you need to register ALL your lobbying activities in city's lobbiest register. Mr. Deluce didn't do that. Porter Airlines later made a statement and blamed the omission on an...
  11. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Here we go: The Star, Tuesday April 16th, 2013 .. Controversial request to lengthen the runway won’t seem as excessive, soon, when Transport Canada demands a 150-metre extension into the lake for safety reasons, Deluce said in an exclusive interview. .. Deluce says Transport Canada...
  12. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    They (Porter + TPA) say no but I'm not sure as they are proven to be not reliable. Probably once runway is extended they will seek for another amendment to extend the marine exclusion zone, or even the runway itself due to safety concerns, which nobody can say no. A good feasibility study is...
  13. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    It is a substantial change. What substantial benefits do you envisage for Toronto?
  14. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Schadenfreude. But this is not what I'm trying to discuss, I don't even want to go there; doesn't worth it. My concern is ethics, I can live near an airport but I cannot live with corruption around me. It is not enough to succeed; others must fail (Gore Vidal)
  15. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Can you please tell us what kind of economical benefits are we looking at?
  16. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Yes, and it is illegal. This should be enough to say "no" to them without even listening what they want. Yes, in third world countries; just "tip" politicians and do whatever you want. May be I'm too idealistic but I refuse the bend over to a corporation who thinks it can do anything...
  17. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    And proposed lake fill by TPA in June 14, 2012:
  18. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    No, I'm not employed by Porter or Air Canada. Open source intelligence and some analyses is generally more than enough. You are right, I never involved in discussions such as noise levels (yet) as I think there are more serious concerns to be addressed first. I'm seeking answers to the...
  19. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Brace yourselves for another Canada 3000. I think Porter will also disappear into thin air in a night. I'm sure Mr. Robert Deluce is already making his next almost perfect exit plan while we are discussing technical specifications of jets, how quiet they are, and getting excited about carrots...

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