Premier Doug Ford's Ontario

[UtakataNoAnnex]

The things our government doesn't want us to know...is the only reason for this.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

Question, can Ontario redo the crown attorney position and turn them into a City Level department like what NYC has(?) in NYC, their District Attorney or the DA are considered a city level department. Wouldn’t Conservatives like Larry Brock and Doug Ford say that crown attorneys should be elected in Ontario especially for an area like Toronto or Mississauga/Vaughan?

 

[lenaitch]

Question, can Ontario redo the crown attorney position and turn them into a City Level department like what NYC has(?) in NYC, their District Attorney or the DA are considered a city level department. Wouldn’t Conservatives like Larry Brock and Doug Ford say that crown attorneys should be elected in Ontario especially for an area like Toronto or Mississauga/Vaughan?

Not without some major legislative changes and even with that, there might be legal impediments. that I can't immediately think of because it's kind of a bizarre topic. Crown Attorneys are employees of the Ministry of the Attorney General and the province is responsible for the administration of justice. Any authority devolved to municipalities is at the graces of the province, but they have no role in the administration of justice under the Constitution and I doubt that, constitutionally, that authority could be devolved.

 

[lenaitch]

So ridiculous.

No doubt he's purchasing this jet now because he holds a majority government with the next election not until April 2030. My guess is the Ford government is counting on most voters by then will have forgotten he ever purchased the jet.

I suppose if he loses the election in 2030 he's going to have to try to sell this thing off, right?

Who covering the fuel as he's jet setting around?

Sure, like it is registered in his own name.

It will be an asset of the Crown in the Right of Ontario. If he loses an election, he becomes citizen Ford and the asset is no longer his problem.

I think the timing really sucks, and I'm not defending the purchase, but is the outrage right up there with 24 Sussex, where we are so parsimonious and parochial that we expect out senior leadership to ride a bus or stand in line at the TSB desk at Pearson?

Whether he will use it to fly to his cottage remains to be seen. Muskoka Airport is still 30km away so they would have to deal with the 'last mile' problem.

The government used to have a Beechcraft Kingair - I don't know if they still do. I know in the past he has used the OPP Pilatus PC-12 on occassion.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

Not without some major legislative changes and even with that, there might be legal impediments. that I can't immediately think of because it's kind of a bizarre topic. Crown Attorneys are employees of the Ministry of the Attorney General and the province is responsible for the administration of justice. Any authority devolved to municipalities is at the graces of the province, but they have no role in the administration of justice under the Constitution and I doubt that, constitutionally, that authority could be devolved.

Wouldn’t their be any constitutional challenges if the Ford government moves to make crown attorneys electable to the public?

 

[T3G]

but is the outrage right up there with 24 Sussex, where we are so parsimonious and parochial that we expect out senior leadership to ride a bus or stand in line at the TSB desk at Pearson?

When the infrastructure, healthcare, and education of the province is crumbling and people can't find work and can't afford to live, only a lugubrious serf would concern themselves with such vanity projects, especially considering that there is no part of Ford's job that remotely requires a private jet. Zoom exists. If we could keep the global economy of office jobs going through Zoom, then it should suffice here, too.

What the hell kind of a message does it send that we have money for stupid garbage like this, but would-be recipients of OSAP grants are told to pound sand?

 

[lenaitch]

Wouldn’t their be any constitutional challenges if the Ford government moves to make crown attorneys electable to the public?

I think that's what I said.

Where is this coming from?

 

[lenaitch]

When the infrastructure, healthcare, and education of the province is crumbling and people can't find work and can't afford to live, only a lugubrious serf would concern themselves with such vanity projects, especially considering that there is no part of Ford's job that remotely requires a private jet. Zoom exists. If we could keep the global economy of office jobs going through Zoom, then it should suffice here, too.

What the hell kind of a message does it send that we have money for stupid garbage like this, but would-be recipients of OSAP grants are told to pound sand?

As I said, bad timing and I'm not defending it. It would be naive to believe that everything a senior executive does is done via Zoom.

Curious, should 24 Sussex be bulldozed and sold? Should the current multi-billion renovation of Parliament Hill be scrapped. Maybe they could sell the land for condos and parliament meet via Zoom or at the local YMCA.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

I think that's what I said.

Where is this coming from?

I’ve seen Ford talking about how judges should have been elected last year. Maybe he’ll talk about how crown attorneys should be elected next?

 

[T3G]

As I said, bad timing and I'm not defending it. It would be naive to believe that everything a senior executive does is done via Zoom.

Curious, should 24 Sussex be bulldozed and sold? Should the current multi-billion renovation of Parliament Hill be scrapped. Maybe they could sell the land for condos and parliament meet via Zoom or at the local YMCA.

Not bulldozed, sold off would be fine. It's a charming enough building from an architectural perspective. Otherwise, I would be fine with all of those things. These projects don't help anyone to put food on the table, or to get work, or to get to work, or to get health problems taken care of, or in any way lead a better quality of life. When these things are taken care of (we haven't even begun to consider starting), then we can start discussing extra frills.

 

[lenaitch]

Not bulldozed, sold off would be fine. It's a charming enough building from an architectural perspective. Otherwise, I would be fine with all of those things. These projects don't help anyone to put food on the table, or to get work, or to get to work, or to get health problems taken care of, or in any way lead a better quality of life. When these things are taken care of (we haven't even begun to consider starting), then we can start discussing extra frills.

Fair enough. A strange stance for a G7 country, but fair enough. I think even North Korea has its edifices but could be wrong.

 

[lenaitch]

I’ve seen Ford talking about how judges should have been elected last year. Maybe he’ll talk about how crown attorneys should be elected next?

Expecting serious musings out of Ford is like expecting the same out of Trump. If he really cared about the justice system he would put money into the bits his government is currently responsible for.

That's right up there with him and Smith wanting the provinces to select superior court justices. Cool. Call a constitutional conference.

 

[gabe]

Ontario buys used $28.9M private jet for Doug Ford: sources

Ontario buys used $28.9M private jet for Doug Ford: sources

A senior official confirmed that the province this week took possession of a 2016 Bombardier Challenger 650 executive jet.

Call it Air Ford One.
The Ontario government has purchased a used $28.9 million private jet for the use of Premier Doug Ford, the Star has learned.
A senior official, speaking confidentially in order to discuss the matter, confirmed that the province this week took possession of a 2016 Bombardier Challenger 650 executive jet.
“Its primary purpose will be the premier’s travel, but obviously, in an emergency, it can be used for other purposes,” the official said Thursday.
The Quebec-made plane can seat up to 12 passengers and has a range of 7,400 km.
It was purchased through Bombardier and was previously owned by a South American. Ontario Provincial Police and others have pored through its flight logs and the plane was only ever used “for legitimate purposes,” the official confirmed.
While Ontario premiers have had access to private planes for generations, the current government fleet is limited to Beechcraft King Air turboprops with limited range.
A jet for the use of the premier, however, has long been controversial at Queen’s Park.
In 1981, premier Bill Davis’s Tory government bought a $10.6 million Challenger, but were forced to sell it a little more than a year later under fire from the opposition Liberals and New Democrats who decried it as a luxury perk.
The proceeds were used to purchase two water bombers.
About 20 years ago, former premier Dalton McGuinty’s Liberal government — after learning Quebec premier Jean Charest had access to a fleet of three Challengers and Manitoba premier Gary Doer had one — briefly considered buying a jet.
The then PC leader John Tory, who was later mayor of Toronto and had been a top aide to Davis during that earlier jet controversy, had privately offered support for the initiative as long as the plane was manufactured in Ontario.
But with the global financial crisis, the Liberals quietly grounded the scheme.
Ford — whose government charters private jets for his official travel stateside, including a trade mission to Texas earlier this month — is mindful the purchase could be contentious.
“Ontario has twice the land mass of Texas so this will give the government more certainty and flexibility,” said the official, noting the premier has been travelling more to drum up business for Ontario and to crusade against U.S. President Donald Trump’s tariffs on Canadian products.
The official made a point of noting the Quebec government recently spent $107 million on three Challengers, two of which were brand new.
While the Ontario government’s smaller Challenger would be able to land at Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport on the island once the runway is extended, the plan is for it to fly out of Pearson.

While the rest of us pay some of the highest airfare in the world!

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

So here's what the now infamous gravy plane, aka Air Ford One looks like on the inside. Looks fit for a wannabe ''king'', doesn't it? The monarch wants to look down on the poors from the comfort of his jet, while on his way to his gravy estates in Muskoka or Florida, or maybe, to the many gravy fundraisers for PC Party donors. Government says it will only be for private use of the Premier? Right! It will be his own personal plane and we all know it!

 

[narduch]

Is there a private room where he can bang Kinga?