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Canadian airline industry (general discussion)

lenaitch said:
No doubt. I couldn't find data but it appears that transpacific travel is about 35% less than transatlantic, and I suspect it is more skewed to the western provinces.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it works, but unless I was travelling westward (once a week apparently), I'm not sure I would want to fly 4 1/2 hours west to make a connection to ultimately backtrack 4 1/2 hours back east when I can drive/train/bus the roughly four to Pearson (or four Ottawa or 6 to Montreal).
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Maybe WestJet figures (or has done some research) people from SSM/North Bay will travel through Calgary to Saskatchewan, Alberta, and BC destinations (plus perhaps some overseas destinations). So maybe it's not about flying west to go east
 
SubHuman said:
Air Canada ordering Airbus A350-1000, supposedly arriving in 2030.
https://simpleflying.com/air-canada-order-8-airbus-a350-1000s-boost-international-footprint/
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Tim MacDonald said:
Nice. Spent 15+ hrs on Sunday on one. Not a bad bird at all and since Boeing has seemingly forgotten how to build aircraft it's a good choice by Air Canada.
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Great to see the order but unfortunately, Air Canada will probably try and jam close to 500 seats on the plane making it a cramped uncomfortable sardine can.

Which would be a big shame because everyone I hear from whose flown in one thinks the plane is incredibly comfortable.
 
PL1 said:
Maybe WestJet figures (or has done some research) people from SSM/North Bay will travel through Calgary to Saskatchewan, Alberta, and BC destinations (plus perhaps some overseas destinations). So maybe it's not about flying west to go east
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I would assume so (hope so, for their sake).
 
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lenaitch said:
Westjet to offer flights between Calgary and SSM/North Bay.


Kudos for domestic tourism, but I have a hard time believing that folks who are connecting to other destinations would travel several hours west. Maybe I will be proven wrong.
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Porter is rerouting its Sudbury and Windsor Toronto YTZ flights to Ottawa May 1.


www.ctvnews.ca

Porter launching daily non-stop Windsor–Ottawa flights May 1

Porter Airlines will launch daily non-stop flights between Windsor and Ottawa this spring, restoring a direct air link airport officials say has been driven by steadily rising demand from both business and leisure travellers.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 
Not sure if it's relevant but this might give some of you a laugh.

The high speed moving walkway that's been down since before covid STILL HAS the video animation up of how to get off!

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Great video explaining why Canadians pay some of the highest airfares in the world. because of taxes and fees, It's no urban legend.


 
gabe said:
Great video explaining why Canadians pay some of the highest airfares in the world. because of taxes and fees, It's no urban legend.


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Though I generally agree. It's important to note that the US has 10x the population as ours and similar'ish land area (once you remove the large uninhabitable areas in the North/Arctic). The airports have more passengers to draw fees from and so each passenger pays a lower fee.

Our busiest airport (YYZ) would only rank 16'th among US airports , and would sit behind Sea-Tac and Phx. American airports have far more passengers passing through them on average compared to Canadian airports.
 
gabe said:
Great video explaining why Canadians pay some of the highest airfares in the world. because of taxes and fees, It's no urban legend.
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I'm not sure a video which takes over 20 minutes to lay out some facts is great!


Woodbridge_Heights said:
Though I generally agree. It's important to note that the US has 10x the population as ours and similar'ish land area (once you remove the large uninhabitable areas in the North/Arctic). The airports have more passengers to draw fees from and so each passenger pays a lower fee.
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More key than economies of scale (which would imply that fares from Buffalo would be higher than Toronto) is that airports - especially capital costs - are subsidized by government

Capital costs are often heavily subsidized. There's umpteen federal programs for funding airports en masse. As well as state and municipal funding.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/travel...udget/71-0c8d8b10-e3b6-462d-8821-7d72662b6cc4

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nfitz said:
More key than economies of scale (which would imply that fares from Buffalo would be higher than Toronto) is that airports - especially capital costs - are subsidized by government

Capital costs are often heavily subsidized. There's umpteen federal programs for funding airports en masse. As well as state and municipal funding.
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This is something Canadian governments should consider, IMO. The economic benefits of reduced airfares would be worth the cost to subsidize airport capital costs.
 
guavadelic said:
This is something Canadian governments should consider, IMO. The economic benefits of reduced airfares would be worth the cost to subsidize airport capital costs.
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Economic benefits of reduced airfaires?

I'll say no thanks to socialism. Airports, roads, etc., should be self-supporting; at least here. Subsidize the north and First Nations.
 
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