Bordercollie
Senior Member
How can they build something that is not in production?
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GO Transit Fleet Equipment and other
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urbanclient
Active Member
I speculate here, perhaps it's because GO Trains stop and start much more frequently? Stopping 6-9 times from Toronto to Montreal over 5-6 hours versus around 7-12 stops over 1-2.5 hours for Lakeshore West.
Lots more wear and tear per km and per hour.
I'm also guessing that a GO locomotive averages more service hours per year than a VIA locomotive.
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CMQSD402F9011
New Member
I highly doubt GE will ever bring back the MPX series just for GO. Unless they eye the EMD/PR F125s or go for the secondhand market. Metra has the F59PHIs which were bought as a temporary measure.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Well... they need to do something soon or else we will have another rdc situation where theres zero viable replacements available. Why not commission alstom to design something suitable for our market. Or just order chargers. We cant be relying on BUYING BACK our old decommissioned junk because we are trying to scrape up every last mile of use from our relics. This is exactly what the report is cautioning against... you get too complacent you lose your expertise and that will lead to pie in your face
CMQSD402F9011
New Member
GO has never owned any F59PHIs. The ones Metra has bought were from Amtrak in 2018-19.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Didnt they buy a dozen metrolink f59s a couple years back as well? Still regardless... we have a looming issue with locomotive shortages coming up. What will they replace the current f59s with? How about in 10 years time when the mp40s starts to show their age? Will they buy used stuff again like a cheap second rate operator?
generalcanada
Senior Member
crazy article.
not even that its so long from now, not even that they are going to do emu's and replace 60% of the bilevel fleet,
They dont even know whos going to build it LOL.
what the hell happened these last 4 years JFC.
cplchanb
Senior Member
We went from an original 2025 target to an 11 year delay....
Geez I absolutely despise the 118 VPs at ML for bait and switching the entire GTHA.... they can all rot in hell for all i care
urbanclient
Active Member
11 year delay? From 2025 to 2036? Or from 2032 to 2043? I hate to break it to you, but the earliest the Lakeshore lines are supposed to be electrified through USRC is 2038...
Allandale25
Senior Member
cplchanb
Senior Member
Every day brings to light more SHAME for our wonderful overseer metrolinx. The on govt needs to clean house asap. Pure incompetence and frankly malicious contempt on riders and taxpayers.
generalcanada
Senior Member
this one doesnt really hit as hard.
It reads as MX finally realizing the OOI plan was way too ambitious making too many assumptions.
From grade crossings to fleet size, maybe most of it was unrealistic.
At least at the bottom and what we also heard, Lindsay is bringing staff in-house. We shall see what this changes in the org
cplchanb
Senior Member
Unrealistic because they would rather do the bare minimum from the status quo. How can we call our transit "world class" when it cant even stack up to developing countries?
generalcanada
Senior Member
Yea, but is it bare minimum? this reads as going back to what they planned in 2018 with the business case
OOI really changed things when they proposed 3 minute service frequencies.
To me this reads as "hourly to barrie, kitchener and niagara and frequent 15 minute or better service through the inner core like oakville
I dont see it saying them doing 30 minute service everywhere.
WB62
Senior Member
Their updated official service targets are slightly more ambitious than what you’re predicting.
7.5 minute service will run all day on the UP Express, and during peak hours on LW, LE.
15 minute service will expand to:
Burlington
Bramalea
Maple
Unionville
Oshawa
30 minute service will run to:
Mount Pleasant
Mount Joy
Aurora
60 minute service will run to:
West Harbour
Kitchener
Bradford
Stouffville
Bowmanville
120 minute service will run to:
Allandale Waterfront
Old Elm
Express trains will operate all day to West Harbour, Kitchener, and Bowmanville, which means some express stations will see an additional train per hour per direction, in addition to the local service providing frequent service to local stations.
This mission is still good, if GO reaches this level of service it will be respectable.
It’s absolutely nothing compared to the service plan from the now-fired consortium, which will always sting to think about, but people in our region will still benefit significantly from this service plan.
GO won’t stop expanding after this goal is hit either, there’s always going to be an opportunity to increase service from every 15 minutes to every 10 minutes, or run more service to the outer stations.
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