Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[asey20]

If the Flexity Freedom vehicles are no longer available for production, could the line be supplemented by introducing coupled Alstom Citadis units as additional vehicles?

In that scenario, it seems likely that extra bollards would need to be installed at the mid-section where the Citadis cars are coupled. At the same time, would the existing bollards—currently positioned to align with the Flexity Freedom door layout—conflict with the door spacing or boarding areas of a coupled Citadis configuration? Conversely, could any new bollards required for the Citadis interfere with the door placement on the Flexity Freedom vehicles?

 

[zang]

Yeah, it gives off more 1980s/1990s vibes or so.

idk if it's supposed to be some nostalgia thing for 2011 or something. That video has no description, and doesn't specify what camera was used.

I’m gonna guess either something really, really cheap (my wife’s Xacti from that same time does better), or it’s been run through a filter for the clicks.

 

[Bojaxs]

If the Flexity Freedom vehicles are no longer available for production, could the line be supplemented by introducing coupled Alstom Citadis units as additional vehicles?

In that scenario, it seems likely that extra bollards would need to be installed at the mid-section where the Citadis cars are coupled. At the same time, would the existing bollards—currently positioned to align with the Flexity Freedom door layout—conflict with the door spacing or boarding areas of a coupled Citadis configuration? Conversely, could any new bollards required for the Citadis interfere with the door placement on the Flexity Freedom vehicles?

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

 

[asey20]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

I thought line 6 was also using 750 V. Is this not correct?

 

[ARG1]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

 

[asey20]

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting the idea of a Citadis Spirit or Citadis Spirit like vehicle that would be built with the same signaling system as used on line 5 if Alstom is no longer willing or able to build the Flexity Freedom for the TTC. I wasn't suggesting that vehicles from line 6 would be moved to line 5 to supplement the line.

 

[robmausser]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

Not only do both Line 5 and 6 use the same voltage (750v) but the Citadis trains in Ottawa run on 1500v, and they are compatible with different voltages.

Its also partly why they are slow on Line 6, undervolted compared to O-Train.

Btw if anyone is curious, two Citadis vehicles paired into one train, like they have in Ottawa, is just a tiny bit too large for the platforms at Eglinton (which were designed for 3 train Flexities) but I believe it will still work as the doors are more inward and still all fit on the platform.

 

[nfitz]

Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting the idea of a Citadis Spirit or Citadis Spirit like vehicle that would be built with the same signaling system as used on line 5 if Alstom is no longer willing or able to build the Flexity Freedom for the TTC. I wasn't suggesting that vehicles from line 6 would be moved to line 5 to supplement the line.

Seems it would be simpler for Metrolinx to simply spec a vehicle that Flexity could meet, but Citadis couldn't without a huge redesign. Nothing precludes Alstom from making more if it's the only way they can win the work.

 

[Steve X]

Not only do both Line 5 and 6 use the same voltage (750v) but the Citadis trains in Ottawa run on 1500v, and they are compatible with different voltages.

Its also partly why they are slow on Line 6, undervolted compared to O-Train.

Btw if anyone is curious, two Citadis vehicles paired into one train, like they have in Ottawa, is just a tiny bit too large for the platforms at Eglinton (which were designed for 3 train Flexities) but I believe it will still work as the doors are more inward and still all fit on the platform.

Motor run on current not voltage. Higher voltage just allows current to flow easier. If supply is sufficient, there is no reason why they lack power. Based on what you said, the subway trains would be significantly under powered as they also run on 600 V DC.

 

[81-717]

I’m gonna guess either something really, really cheap (my wife’s Xacti from that same time does better), or it’s been run through a filter for the clicks.

Perhaps, though it honestly seems pointless to deliberately downgrade the quality of a video just to make it seem like it's from that era (especially when it's obviously not), downgrading the quality of the video is only subtracting from its value, not adding to it. If anything, it would be far more interesting to watch real footage from the 1980s upscaled to HD/4K.

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

And they are on the fence about making the same mistake with L2 CTBC being potentially incompatible with L1, despite there being far more legitimate necessity to make them compatible since they're part of a single network and will also share some of the new trains.

On another note, L5 & L6 have both been moved from being grouped together with bus routes to being grouped with the subway lines on transsee.

 

[asey20]

Seems it would be simpler for Metrolinx to simply spec a vehicle that Flexity could meet, but Citadis couldn't without a huge redesign. Nothing precludes Alstom from making more if it's the only way they can win the work.

Logically, it would make the most sense for any additional vehicles to also be Flexity units. However, I raised the question because I’ve come across several discussions suggesting that Alstom may not be interested in taking on further Flexity orders. I’m not sure how credible those claims are, but it made me curious about what alternatives might be available if that were the case.

I’m also wondering how Line 5 would operate with full-length trainsets if there were a mix of three-car and two-car configurations, regardless of what additional vehicles might end up being procured, and whether the additional platform safety bollards required for two-car trains would interfere with the doors of three-car trains and vice versa. Although it might be a pointless exercise without knowing which vehicles to expect, besides the flexity freedom, for future procurement and what the options for door placement in these vehicles would be.

 

[T3G]

Perhaps, though it honestly seems pointless to deliberately downgrade the quality of a video just to make it seem like it's from that era (especially when it's obviously not), downgrading the quality of the video is only subtracting from its value, not adding to it. If anything, it would be far more interesting to watch real footage from the 1980s upscaled to HD/4K.

There is an entire online industry dedicated to making current era media appear as though it's from the past. Vinyl records and analog cameras are all the rage at the moment.

This is going a bit far for me, but it's not as though there weren't thousands of other people who got videos taken in high quality, so it's not like there's a big historical loss on going here.

 

[Obsidian]

Based on this report, it looks like the with TSP the trains will still be stopped by red lights.

"However, the city has not indicated any plans to implement red light truncation as part of TSP changes."

How will Traffic Signal Priority for LRTs impact your drive?

With LRT vehicles set to get priority at intersections along both Finch and Eglinton, will drivers be left in the dust as trains speed by?

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[81-717]

There is an entire online industry dedicated to making current era media appear as though it's from the past. Vinyl records and analog cameras are all the rage at the moment.

Riiight, and of course subway vehicles are the one thing excluded from this trend I can see why/how footage quality from decades ago can create nostalgia for that era, but when watching said footage my primary thought is "boy I wish the quality could've been better, so the exact same footage would be clearer & easier to watch/hear without your mind having to fill in the gaps".

This is going a bit far for me, but it's not as though there weren't thousands of other people who got videos taken in high quality, so it's not like there's a big historical loss on going here.

Of course, not to mention there'll be decades of more opportunities, unless in the distant future L5 is shut down like the SRT, or just maybe converted to subway tech (now that'd be footage worth getting!). But from the perspective of the person taking the video, one'd think they'd wanna get good quality shots that are their own. I love watching H5 videos, but unfortunately none of them are mine (except 5707 after retirement).

 

[Mind_the_gap]

When Helsinki artificially shortened their Metro from 6 cars (135m) to 4 cars (90m) to save 50 million Euros on the Western Espoo extension, at least they put in proper stickers on the platform edge to demarcate the boarding zone:

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A roll of duct tape along the platform edge would've been better than what we did.

Ottawa got that right with the wall-mounted "Boarding zone/Zone d'embarquement" signage at the underground stations.

Seems like circular stickers similar to the Covid social-distancing ones would've been better.

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Why are the top displays showing generic (5) Eglinton Line, when they're perfectly capable of showing upcoming departures.

Is this intentional because the TTC can't/is unwilling to show departure times at the legacy station entrance screens?

For what it’s worth, at least the underground Metrolinx Line 5 stations will have next train arrivals displayed at the street-level doorways.

Something the TTC should emulate…

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Why can't we do this here?? (Bus times)