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Former President Donald Trump's United States of America

If Trump would limit his trolling to Mexico, we Canadians would likely back him all the way. Canada’s apparent spokesman Doug Ford said as much on Fox News last night, let’s build a US-CAN trade and security block to dominate, while cutting out Mexico. The original US-Canada FTA was smart, NAFTA was not.

Regarding this talk of the US forcibly annexing Canada through economic or other means, I’d like to know what our head of state thinks, if at all? At least with regards to new Canadians, we all swear allegiance to HM the King/Queen when we become citizens - does it go both ways? Regarding Greenland, the King of Denmark has taken symbolic action to remind Trump who owns the place, https://www.newsweek.com/denmark-king-g ... mp-2010801
 
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Admiral Beez said:
If Trump would limit his trolling to Mexico, we Canadians would likely back him all the way. Canada’s apparent spokesman Doug Ford said as much on Fox News last night, let’s build a US-CAN trade and security block to dominate, while cutting out Mexico. The original US-Canada FTA was smart, NAFTA was not.

Regarding this talk of the US forcibly annexing Canada through economic or other means, I’d like to know what our head of state thinks, if at all? At least with regards to new Canadians, we all swear allegiance to HM the King/Queen when we become citizens - does it go both ways? The King of Denmark has taken symbolic action to remind Trump who owns the place, https://www.newsweek.com/denmark-king-g ... mp-2010801
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Well, there was the 'snowball's chance in hell' response from the PM.
 
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Well, there was the 'snowball's chance in hell' response from the PM.
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True. But Trump likes Charles, apparently. I'd like to see a soft move from HM, such as a state visit to Canada to open the new Parliament in March/April in place of Mary Simon, his Governor General. HM's French is likely better.

If OTOH, Charles does nothing to step up for Canada against this threat of annexation, then we might as well toss the monarchy. And that's from this Brit-born Canuck.
 
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I can see an argument for US control over Greenland, given ever increasing encroachment in the Arctic by our enemies - China and Russia. Is it realistic to expect a massive island like Greenland to be patrolled and defended by a tiny nation of 5 million people? I love and respect Denmark, but they're not a player on the world's stage at all. I'd feel more at ease with the US taking the reigns up there.
 
Towered said:
I can see an argument for US control over Greenland, given ever increasing encroachment in the Arctic by our enemies - China and Russia. Is it realistic to expect a massive island like Greenland to be patrolled and defended by a tiny nation of 5 million people? I love and respect Denmark, but they're not a player on the world's stage at all. I'd feel more at ease with the US taking the reigns up there.
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A line of logic likely used by every empire and tyrant since the beginning of time. I'm not aware that any other nation has encroached on or covets Greenland's territory - until now.

The US doesn't want it for strategic protection. They already have a military base there and could probably easily negotiate one or two more, or addition sensors or whatever it needs . He wants Greenland for its resource potential.
 
Admiral Beez said:
If Trump would limit his trolling to Mexico, we Canadians would likely back him all the way. Canada’s apparent spokesman Doug Ford said as much on Fox News last night, let’s build a US-CAN trade and security block to dominate, while cutting out Mexico. The original US-Canada FTA was smart, NAFTA was not.

Regarding this talk of the US forcibly annexing Canada through economic or other means, I’d like to know what our head of state thinks, if at all? At least with regards to new Canadians, we all swear allegiance to HM the King/Queen when we become citizens - does it go both ways? Regarding Greenland, the King of Denmark has taken symbolic action to remind Trump who owns the place, https://www.newsweek.com/denmark-king-g ... mp-2010801
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The rationale of having a three-country (US, CAN, Mex) treaty was to avoid Canada being overwhelmed by the US if it were only the 2 of us. This continues to have validity, though when dealing with a bully who has no 'safety protocols' almost any treaty with him or his country will be problematical.
 
Ok........

Message to everyone...........

Trump is trolling. Its not serious. It couldn't be.

I could expend thousands of words that most of you would label TL : DR on why he's not serious, why it wouldn't work etc. But it really isn't worth it. Its theatre. All politicians engage in that to some degree, Trump is just a level or three beyond.

Remember the Muslim travel ban, that excluded the majority of the world's Islamic nations?

Hyperbole, tripled.

Lets not spend time taking this seriously. Its not.
 
Coolibop said:
A good read from Dan Gardner that I saw posted by Steve Paikin on Twitter...

dgardner.substack.com

How Canada Should Respond to Trump

Heed the lesson of Thucydides: Only brutality can deter brutal men.
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Nail on the head. Canada should be war-rooming how to impose tariffs and export taxes on trade with the US that maximize pain in the US, particularly in GOP represented areas. Publicly muse about taxing, nationalizing or banning US social media sites, starting with Twitter. Talk about inviting Chinese auto manufacturers to build plants and sell cars in Canada.
 
I have to say, I think people make things far too complicated.

We shouldn't discuss tariffs at all.

Why would we do that?

The U.S. now imports more oil from Canada than from all other countries combined.

Also true of Nat. Gas, and electricity.

Turn the tap off. All the way.

While we're at it.......lets prohibit the export of Aluminum (on which the U.S. is entirely dependent on Canada)

Nucliear isotopes for PET/CT Scans

And Timber...............yes, all of it.............don't want our softwood? Fine..........you can't have any or any hardwood either.

Do I think that's a viable long-term strategy? No...........the U.S. would invade, because we would devastate their economy.

But I think a month should be more than sufficient.......to allow a discrete backpeddle. by the U.S.
 
afransen said:
Nail on the head. Canada should be war-rooming how to impose tariffs and export taxes on trade with the US that maximize pain in the US, particularly in GOP represented areas. Publicly muse about taxing, nationalizing or banning US social media sites, starting with Twitter. Talk about inviting Chinese auto manufacturers to build plants and sell cars in Canada.
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Order shutdown of X, Meta, Amazon and prohibit Starlink from operating in Canada due to National Security (especially given Musk's foreign interference via X) - coordinate this with the EU. Firm up defense treaty with UK or France, with transfer of nuclear technologies. Muse about withdrawing from the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty. You don't rattle the threat of annexation without some immediate, public and direct consequences. If someone should threaten to tear up NAFTA again, it should be us doing the tearing.

AoD
 
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I like Trump's current rhetoric that the US will use "economic force" to acquire Canada for how laughably off the mark it is. If it wasn't for Canada's economic force generating a massive trade deficit for the US, Trump wouldn't even have a talking point. We clearly have the economic force here, which is why Trump is huffing and puffing about trade deficits.

If you want Canadians to buy more from the US, then make your stuff cheaper. If you don't want illegal immigration, then strengthen your border.

Even though the annexation talk is a negotiating tactic, the Canadian response should be strong and multifaceted. I like @afransen's comment in this regard. We should respond in a way that ensures that no one ever raises the annexation issue again, whether "joking" or not.
 
Northern Light said:
I have to say, I think people make things far too complicated.

We shouldn't discuss tariffs at all.

Why would we do that?

The U.S. now imports more oil from Canada than from all other countries combined.

Also true of Nat. Gas, and electricity.

Turn the tap off. All the way.

While we're at it.......lets prohibit the export of Aluminum (on which the U.S. is entirely dependent on Canada)

Nucliear isotopes for PET/CT Scans

And Timber...............yes, all of it.............don't want our softwood? Fine..........you can't have any or any hardwood either.

Do I think that's a viable long-term strategy? No...........the U.S. would invade, because we would devastate their economy.

But I think a month should be more than sufficient.......to allow a discrete backpeddle. by the U.S.
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A good addition to the 'cut-off' list in the above article - What I assume premiers are looking at right now in discussions with states to the south.

Doug Ford, at the OPG presser yesterday, would not divulge alternative pressures they are looking at (in retaliation), and I imagine much of the above is on the table.
 
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