Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)

[MarkBrooks]

Has the Pickering Airport been coming up locally as a federal election issue? Is CPC saying they are in favour of it?

Locally yes but not from the party leaders nationally. Locally It crosses party lines, supporters include an NDP candidate, most CPC, and PPC, and a liberal that says he would if the business case warrants it ( mark holland ). This is an interesting point. It gives Mark holland and Jennifer O’Connell (who still claims that no business case exists) a point to hang their hat on. The idea is that if there is a business case, they have a way to support it.

This is especially stunning As several groups have prepared business cases for the coming RFP.

Candidates weigh in on Pickering airport at forum

What would a board of trade election forum be without a question about the Pickering airport?

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[micheal_can]

Locally yes but not from the party leaders nationally. Locally It crosses party lines, supporters include an NDP candidate, most CPC, and PPC, and a liberal that says he would if the business case warrants it ( mark holland ). This is an interesting point. It gives Mark holland and Jennifer O’Connell (who still claims that no business case exists) a point to hang their hat on. The idea is that if there is a business case, they have a way to support it.

This is especially stunning As several groups have prepared business cases for the coming RFP.

Candidates weigh in on Pickering airport at forum

What would a board of trade election forum be without a question about the Pickering airport?

www.durhamregion.com

So, if they flat out came out and said, there is no business case for it, would you give up on it, or would you press for it still?

 

[MarkBrooks]

So, if they flat out came out and said, there is no business case for it, would you give up on it, or would you press for it still?

My point is that Jennifer O’Connell has said that she has not seen a business case, when I have been privileged to review several such cases ( I am sure she too could sign an NDA, even as an MP), tells you everything you need to know about what will happen after silly season is over.
After taking money and support from the 64 residential leases holder, the 172, agricultural and 49 commercial lease holders on the Pickering lands, she can now pivot on the idea that “ oh look a business case now exists “.

The only party that will never build an airport is the green Party, they may one day get their heads around the ideas of how a new airport improves efficiency and reduces emissions, but they want zero emissions and believe they can achieve it with command control and travel restrictions/economy methods ( hint they can’t )

Got to love politics!

 

[micheal_can]

My point is that Jennifer O’Connell has said that she has not seen a business case, when I have been privileged to review several such cases ( I am sure she too could sign an NDA, even as an MP), tells you everything you need to know about what will happen after silly season is over.
After taking money and support from the 64 residential leases holder, the 172, agricultural and 49 commercial lease holders on the Pickering lands, she can now pivot on the idea that “ oh look a business case now exists “.

The only party that will never build an airport is the green Party, they may one day get their heads around the ideas of how a new airport improves efficiency and reduces emissions, but they want zero emissions and believe they can achieve it with command control and travel restrictions/economy methods ( hint they can’t )

Got to love politics!

Sounds like there isn't a strong business case for it, otherwise, politicians would be jumping on the bandwagon. Have you ever thought of being in politics? You sound just as silly as they do.

 

[MarkBrooks]

Sounds like there isn't a strong business case for it, otherwise, politicians would be jumping on the bandwagon. Have you ever thought of being in politics? You sound just as silly as they do.

Wishful thinking isn’t enough to stop a project of this size and importance with a solid positive rate of return inline with similar major North America airports.
But Air Canada appears opposed to the project ( just like the island airport runway extension, they don’t want the competition) so It’s far from a done deal.

 

[kEiThZ]

In the real world, there's no black or white. There's shades of grey. There may well be a business case for a small airport. Just not the kind of private entity run by Mark Brooks and his buddies, that they imagine. I imagine the GTAA will get authority to manage this new airport, if it comes to pass, as a reliever to Pearson. And they will have a slow ramp that runs in conjunction with demand growth that keeps Pearson running at max. It's not like the big airlines are looking to move to an airport with no transit access, even further from the downtown core, whose major expressway access would be tolled.

 

[kEiThZ]

How'd the pro-airport party do?

 

[kEiThZ]

Stories like this make the idea of another major airport in the region very tenuous:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-canada-jetlines-launch-delayed-1.5338851

 

[MarkBrooks]

Will banning air travel in Canada decrease GHG emissions? A bit of critical thinking and common sense tells us the emissions will increase!

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[micheal_can]

Will banning air travel in Canada decrease GHG emissions? A bit of critical thinking and common sense tells us the emissions will increase!

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Will building another useless airport for general aviation increase our GHG emissions?

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

Will building another useless airport for general aviation increase our GHG emissions?

Mark believes that vehicle traffic around the airport is a more significant contributor to GHG emissions than a new airport would be.

 

[MarkBrooks]

Lol,

Mark believes that vehicle traffic around the airport is a more significant contributor to GHG emissions than a new airport would be.

well yes GHG emissions from cars are a factor too, but the main issue is GHG from airborne aircraft being stuck in a hold or slowed down under flowed control, or forced to use non optimal approachs.

idling on the ground counts to

. To understand the fuel savings we are talking about just look at the millions of tons of GHG being saved by the RNP approaches being rolled out at Billy Bishop:

NAV CANADA Airspace Enhancements Coming to Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport Next Week | PortsToronto

www.portstoronto.com

and then understand that this can not be done at Pearson thanks to congestion on approach During normal hours.

RNP approaches will be baked into Pickering airports DNA Enabling emissions efficient passenger travel.

 

[kEiThZ]

Will banning air travel in Canada decrease GHG emissions? A bit of critical thinking and common sense tells us the emissions will increase!

Greta’s Canadian Oops: Why Emissions Will Go Up If Flying Is Banned - Friends of Pickering Airport

Print 🖨 PDF 📄 eBook 📱With the hashtag #istayontheground, Swedish teenager climate activist Greta Thunberg is focusing the world’s attention on greenhouse gases created by the aviation sector. Tweeting out statements such as this one on December 30 2018. “My generation won’t be able to fly other...

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Ok Boomer.

 

[micheal_can]

Lol,

well yes GHG emissions from cars are a factor too, but the main issue is GHG from airborne aircraft being stuck in a hold or slowed down under flowed control, or forced to use non optimal approachs.

idling on the ground counts to

. To understand the fuel savings we are talking about just look at the millions of tons of GHG being saved by the RNP approaches being rolled out at Billy Bishop:

NAV CANADA Airspace Enhancements Coming to Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport Next Week | PortsToronto

www.portstoronto.com

and then understand that this can not be done at Pearson thanks to congestion on approach During normal hours.

RNP approaches will be baked into Pickering airports DNA Enabling emissions efficient passenger travel.

Every aircraft added to the air contributes more to GHG.So, if we are at max capacity for Pearson then we cannot add more planes, and not add more to the GHG.

 

[tmlittle]

This argument seems basically identical to the people who argue that road diets raise GHG emissions due to having more cars idling at lights. A modicum of planning knowledge tells us this isn't true, because infrastructure induces demand -- a new, more remote airport opens up with cheaper fees so all the budget airlines relocate there, it becomes much harder to get to via transit so people are more likely to drive there, lower fees mean (at least theoretically) lower cost of air travel, so people are more likely to fly frivolously rather than approach it as the weighty decision it should be. Even more insidiously, short domestic/regional flights (which still emit tons of GHG due to takeoff and landing) become normalized and cheap and further undercut the market for passenger rail, in exactly the usage case where passenger rail belongs -- not the long intercontinental flights that trains physically can't make unless someone teaches them how to swim.