Because TTC claims that if the ran the trains faster, they would need to consult Metrolinx and Mosaic because faster running trains would increase the operational and maintenance burden on Mosaic/Metrolinx
https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/finch-west-line-6-lrt.11783/post-2323730
Even...
At 112 minutes round trip, 56 minutes one way, Line 5 would have an average speed of 20.4 km/h
Here's the Crosstown website from 2016 claiming an average speed of 28km/h
https://web.archive.org/web/20160718200221/http://www.thecrosstown.ca/the-project
Full transcript:
Myers: Was there ever a discussion about publicly updating the timeline with these new end to end run times [for line 6]?
TTC staff: No, I can't recall that there was ever a discussion about there being a form of communication, because this was a contractual issue. I think...
Want to expand on this because I think the transcript is worth seeing in full:
Saxe: why do we need to talk to Metrolinx or Mosaic about TSP? Isn't that something the city controls?
TTC staff: the city does control TSP.
Saxe: so why do we have to work with Metrolinx? why not just ask the city...
Moving live updates on TTC board debate about TSP for streetcar network here:
Councillor Saxe: what is the status of improving the Spadina streetcar? When will we start seeing real improvements there?
TTC staff: we believe we should start to have that online by early February at this point in...
Saxe: how similar is the transit experience on spadina to experience on dundas that don't have dedicated ROW. How much can we generalize learnings?
TTC staff: for those corridors in mixed traffic other factors are more relevant like removing parking
Saxe: do you need more authorization from...
Councillor Saxe: what is the status of improving the Spadina streetcar? When will we start seeing real improvements there?
TTC staff: we believe we should start to have that online by early February at this point in time
Saxe: how much will that improve travel time?
TTC staff: there's gonna...
Fair enough. Here's the full transcript:
Myers: when we say, you know, we're now testing aggressive transit signal priority. This is not something new to the rest of the world.
TTC: Correct.
Myers: It's just new to Toronto
TTC: through the chair. It is actually, it is actually relatively...
Myers: TSP is not actually new right?
TTC: I believe this is used in Europe but I'm not aware of it being used in North America.
Myers: so are we talking to those other transit systems? Are we going to those places?
TTC staff: [chuckling] haha yeah we would love to
Osborne: What is the [contractual] round trip time for Finch?
TTC: 92 minutes for driving time and 6 minutes for recovery
Osborne: So exactly the same as Line 5?
TTC: Yes
Osborne: Ok I'm a bit stunned by that
TTC: There are things we can do to increase the speed of the vehicles. I'll give...
Matlow: why wouldn't we proactively ensure that Finch and Eglinton are ready with TSP as we understand it [with priority over left turning cars]?
TTC staff: during the contact and Metrolinx managing the contract there wasn't really the opportunity for us to intervene.
Matlow: was there a...
Myers: did we know or anticipate at the TTC that the vehicles would not meet their expected travel times due to factor such as the lack of TSP?
TTC staff: the original contract contemplated a 30 plus minute run time. What happened was during the development and into discussions amongst city...
Live updates:
- The earliest Line 6 improvements can be implemented is at the end of the "soft opening" in "early spring"
- TTC staff would need to consult with Mosaic and Metrolinx if it were to speed up the LRT because it would impact maintenance costs
- In response to question from...