ehlow
Senior Member
If 2 hour fares happen, then you can come out of the subway, use the bathroom or do an errand or whatever, then get back on without paying again.
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If 2 hour fares happen, then you can come out of the subway, use the bathroom or do an errand or whatever, then get back on without paying again.
RainIsWet
New Member
The ESSO Station at Dufferin and Eglinton has been boarded up.
Future home of the LRT station.
Future home of the LRT station.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Johnny Au
Superstar
That is good, although many commuters prefer the convenience of washrooms within the subway system, especially at suburban subway stations.
smallspy
Senior Member
Victoria Park will prove to be an important stop, and there are great redevelopment opportunities here. But washrooms aren't needed here. In fact, I think the one subway station that could really use public washrooms is St. George.
But I would have liked to see something like this in the Eglinton/Vic Park/Eglinton Square triangle:
Rietlandpark Tram Stop, Amsterdam
It would avoid two major traffic signals and add a bit more "RT" to LRT in this area.
I don't disagree with the idea, but what's the cost going to be? Could it be built without hugely expanding the current budget?
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
raptor
Senior Member
Transport minister Del Duca announced today that TBM Dennis arrived at Allen Rd.
Markster
Senior Member
Tunnels are being punched through all over the place! This and Ottawa in the last 2 days!
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
the transitway wasn't designed for conversion to LRT. I talked to the lead project manager (I work for the city), and he said there's no plans for conversion and he laughed when I brought up Mahoney's comment.
smallspy
Senior Member
Streets aren't generally designed for LRT or streetcars either. It doesn't mean that they can't be retrofitted.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
robmausser
Senior Member
Thank you... what the hell is this talk about "conversion to LRT" not being possible.
Its %*&$ing pavement in an ROW... of course it can be converted to LRT.
What, is there hot lava under the asphalt that makes it impossible?
Tuscani01
Senior Member
LOL... that explains the heated platforms!
There is SOME truth in the statement. The BRT route had to be adjusted to cut costs. To do this, the route was slightly shifted in a few areas to avoid having to relocate utilities. There are 2 areas that will need some work in the future if it is to be converted to LRT, as the grading is too steep. Other than that, there is absolutely nothing preventing this from being converted in the future.
The idea that it can't be converted is laughable. Im sure hydro didn't build the ROW to accommodate a BRT, yet here we are today.
crs1026
Superstar
There is nothing about the basic structure of a roadway that prevents upgrading to LRT, but the cost may vary according to design.
If underground utilities were not built to be LRT-ready, they may have to be moved or rebuilt....trackage doesn't like manhole covers! That can greatly add to cost and construction time. The same is true if some weight capacities or clearances were minimised on the assumption that only busses would be carried.
I have no idea whether any of this is a concern for the lines under discussion.
I agree with the previous comment that there may be a practical limit to how long an LRT (or subway, for that matter) should be. Bunching is enough of a problem on the TTC's streetcar lines, never mind a line as long as Cross town will be, with or without extension to Square One. Does anyone have any data on what the longer LRT lines are in other metropolitian areas?
- Paul
If underground utilities were not built to be LRT-ready, they may have to be moved or rebuilt....trackage doesn't like manhole covers! That can greatly add to cost and construction time. The same is true if some weight capacities or clearances were minimised on the assumption that only busses would be carried.
I have no idea whether any of this is a concern for the lines under discussion.
I agree with the previous comment that there may be a practical limit to how long an LRT (or subway, for that matter) should be. Bunching is enough of a problem on the TTC's streetcar lines, never mind a line as long as Cross town will be, with or without extension to Square One. Does anyone have any data on what the longer LRT lines are in other metropolitian areas?
- Paul
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Los Angeles has some pretty long LRT lines..
Tuscani01
Senior Member
I don't believe bunching will be an issue that needs to be worried about. The Crosstown is in its own ROW, and is going to have traffic signal priority. The trains are also much longer, and can be grouped together. It can't be compared to any of the existing streetcar lines because it is nothing like the existing lines.
howl
Active Member
When people say BRT can't be converted to LRT they mean the BRT isn't being designed to accommodate a simple retrofit. Some BRT lines are designed to be easily retrofitted and some aren't. Obviously, even if the BRT isn't designed to be easily retrofitted it can be ripped out and replaced with LRT for a cost.