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2014 Ontario Provincial Election

It is nowhere near as bad as you are being led to believe it is. It's not that it doesn't need to be fixed, it does, but the misguided urgency with which Hudak wants to tackle the issue is nothing but a smokescreen for implementing policies with completely different objectives.

The graph only shows something typical of major recessions in service-based economies (as opposed to resource exploitation-based ones), it's not showing the results of 'overspending', and you will see that federal debt follows the exact same pattern. Ontario's debt:GDP ratio is equivalent to that of 3 or 4 other Canadian provinces, and is 10 points below that of Quebec... except we are actually the leanest government per capita of the bunch.

Hudak's plan is more likely to lead to a serious financial crisis than Wynne's, by reducing revenue sources and putting people out of work. It has absolutely zero economic integrity. It is the financial equivalent to Rob Ford's transit plan.

Please study the subjects in depth or consult people who have and hopefully you'll see through this. The gross simplifications of reality current conservatives love to base their policies on are first and foremost intentional attempts to misinform the public. Look no further than the MILLION JOBS PLAN, or how Ford saved us a BILLION DOLLARS. Same math.

Most of your post, without knowing who I am what I do or what my knowledge base is, is just too condescending an patronizing to respond to and I was going to just ignore it.

I feel though that some might read it and assume that since that bolded part was uncontested it must therefore be true.

Compare this chart to the one for Ontario above and tell me it follows the same pattern.

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Ontario, like many jurisdictions, ended years of balance/surplus to fight the effects of the recession. The problem is that unlike most jurisdictions, Ontario seems unwilling or unable to wean itself off of the habit. Again, in 2014/2015 Ontario's deficit will be larger than the 9 other provinces and the federal government combined....but I am sure that is not a problem ;)
 

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Ontario, like many jurisdictions, ended years of balance/surplus to fight the effects of the recession. The problem is that unlike most jurisdictions, Ontario seems unwilling or unable to wean itself off of the habit. Again, in 2014/2015 Ontario's deficit will be larger than the 9 other provinces and the federal government combined....but I am sure that is not a problem ;)
Ontario has lower program spending than other provinces. Cutting further isn't the solution.

Meanwhile the lack of infrastructure investment since David left office has finally resulted in gridlock in the GTA, which is only forecast to get worse as the population continues to increase.

Electing a party that thinks the lowest program spending is too high, and created the debt problem in the first place, is shooting yourself in the foot.

If your against transit, vote Tory. We'll never see another plan like the Liberals have put forth, if they are no elected.
 
Compare this [Canada] chart to the one for Ontario above and tell me it follows the same pattern.

When I saw the Ontario chart, the first question that came to mind was - what does the federal graph look like. This is the key. Ontario must be compared to other provinces and the country as a whole, and not to countries in Asia or South America. It would be interesting to see what similar graphs would look like for unemployment rates or how much each province takes or gives for equalization.
 
What are the NDP and PC stance on ranked ballot system for municipalities in Ontario?

The Ontario Liberals have come out in favor of ranked ballot for all municipalities. If I wasn't voting on transit policy, electoral reform would be the next big ticket item on my list.
 
When I saw the Ontario chart, the first question that came to mind was - what does the federal graph look like. This is the key. Ontario must be compared to other provinces and the country as a whole, and not to countries in Asia or South America. It would be interesting to see what similar graphs would look like for unemployment rates or how much each province takes or gives for equalization.

No province makes equalization payments......they either receive them or nothing. It is a formula driven by gdp per capita. Provinces below the mean receive payments from the feds while provinces above the mean do not. I think there are 6 receiving provinces at the present time and 4 that get nothing. Ontario is one of the receivers.

The theory is to assist provinces that have lower than mean gdp per capita maintain a national level of services in key areas.
 

That is all I have been saying.....if the cuts the PCs are proposing to eliminate what was (pre-budget) a $11.3B deficit in two years are devastating to Ontario (I think that is the OLP operative words) tell me how a $12.5B deficit gets eliminated in two years without being deficit. If there was a credible plan on the table I could roll the dice with one more year of increasing deficit.
 
Surprising (as the Globe constantly complains about the awful transit in Toronto), but not surprising (as the Globe's endorsed Harper three times), but ultimately disappointing in its tepidness.

Globe editorial
The Globe's editorial board endorses Tim Hudak's Progressive Conservatives
Published Friday, Jun. 06 2014, 2:40 PM EDT

Over four days, The Globe editorial board looked at the options facing Ontarians. Today the board makes its endorsement.

On the first day of this series, we said that, in a perfect world, we’d be urging Ontarians to vote for the non-existent Liberal Progressive Conservative Party: a party that believes in fiscal responsibility as the foundation of government, but not its point; a party that understands the necessity of government to build a better society, but also government’s limitations; a party that puts the free market at the centre of its thinking, while acknowledging its imperfections; a party that chooses policies based on evidence, not dogma; a party powered by ideas, but still able to feel the pain of real people; a party that favours amelioration over revolution; a party that if entrusted with the stewardship of the once healthy but now mildly ill patient known as Ontario, could credibly promise to leave her in better shape.

There are three major parties in this contest, and none of them entirely fits the bill. We do not live in that perfect world. That is not a statement of despair or a call to apathy. Democracy has always been messy and imperfect. Elections are hardly ever about choosing between polar opposites, or self-evidently right and unmistakably wrong options, as far apart as noon and midnight. At election time, all choices are relative. At election time, all parties are graded on the curve.

Ontarians’ choices this time around are, as always, various shades of grey. All of the parties have blemishes, and each of the choices comes with its own uncertainties. Each of the parties falls short in different ways, but most importantly – because we are grading on that curve – each falls short to a different degree.

In a perfect world, we’d have no hesitation in calling for the Liberals to be tossed out. They’ve been in power for nearly 11 years. And over time, missteps and even misdeeds have compounded. eHealth. Ornge. A Green Energy Act that, years on, keeps driving up electricity prices, hurting consumers and businesses for the sake of a delusional industrial strategy. And then there are those two cancelled gas plants that have dogged Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne throughout the campaign. The cancellations, made for electoral advantage in the 2011 election, could ultimately cost the province up to $1-billion. Allegations of cover-up surrounding documents related to the plants, and a police investigation, have added to the foul odour. This week it came out that Ms. Wynne’s predecessor, former premier Dalton McGuinty, was recently interviewed by the police in connection with the investigation. A police inquiry is not proof of wrongdoing. But “Premier Dad Questioned By Cops†is not an ideal story line for the Liberal brand.

Change at Queen’s Park would be a good thing. But to vote somebody out of office, you have to vote somebody else in. And the alternatives aren’t ideal. Their weakness is the main reason the Liberals won re-election in 2011.

The NDP has been the most disappointing of the three parties. It opened the campaign with long-time stalwarts penning an open letter, asking whether the party had abandoned its principles and sold its soul. And as the election moved into its final days, Leader Andrea Horwath was bizarrely attempting to mischaracterize Ms. Wynne’s proposal for a province-wide pension plan, an idea the NDP once supported and sort of still does, as being part of a right-wing, “Harper-style†agenda. The NDP’s moves have been strange and sad.

And then there are Tim Hudak’s Tories. Are they the ideal alternative? No, far from it. Are they a viable alternative? Yes, barely.

They deserve praise for taking a hard line with public servants, calling for an across-the-board wage freeze. Union attacks on Mr. Hudak, and support for Ms. Wynne, leave a reasonable apprehension that the Liberals won’t be firm in future contract talks. And absent a willingness to stand up to its own supporters, a Liberal government will miss its budget targets. Mr. Hudak also has the right idea on business subsidies: Get rid of them. His impulse runs counter to the Liberal tendency, which has been to move ever more deeply into the game of subsidizing businesses in an attempt to protect or create jobs. Several Liberal financial miscues, notably Green Energy, grew out of a mistaken belief that government has to get into industrial strategy. The game has long been powered by lobbying and fraught with muck, and the Tories are right to want to find a way out of it.

But Mr. Hudak is also running on a platform of simplistic slogans. The Million Jobs Plan has been rightly mocked for failures of basic arithmetic. The promise to cut 100,000 government workers contains some reasonable ideas borrowed from Don Drummond’s Liberal-commissioned report on right-sizing government, but the rest is just about offering a nice round number for campaign purposes. The pledge to cut red tape by one-third is similarly just a slogan, not a plan to govern. The Tory platform is about signalling to the electorate that they are erasing the “progressive†from Progressive Conservative. To govern that way would be misguided, because governing best is not merely about figuring out how to govern less. There is much immaturity in the Conservative plan.

In a perfect world, Ontario voters would have (at least) two excellent alternatives to choose from. They instead have two imperfect choices: a tired Liberal Party that has yet to learn enough from its mistakes, and an untested Progressive Conservative Party that needs to moderate and mature. The only way it will do so is if it is given the chance to govern. As for the Liberals, spending some time in the wilderness will allow them to rethink and recover themselves. On balance, in our imperfect world, we choose the Progressive Conservative Party – but kept on the short leash of a minority government. In two years’ time, if all goes well for the maturing of the Tories and the rebuilding of the Liberals, Ontarians could find themselves returning to the polls, facing what the province desperately needs: two much stronger choices.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-for-a-conservative-minority/article19047636/

Of course, the Harper government has moderated and matured so much during their time as a minority government that they proved capable of making non-partisan choices that benefited all Canadians. Maybe we'll see this with the Hudak government?
 
Of course, the Harper government has moderated and matured so much during their time as a minority government that they proved capable of making non-partisan choices that benefited all Canadians. Maybe we'll see this with the Hudak government?

And Bill C-23 is......???
 
Newest poll update. Ranked by most success in 2011
Forum (May 27) Libs 36v... PC 36^... NDP 20=... Grn 7^
Abacus (May 31) Libs 37^... PC 30v... NDP 24v... Grn 7^
Nanos (May 26) Libs 38..... PC 31.... NDP 24..... Grn 5
Ekos (Jun 5) Libs 34v... PC 35^... NDP 32^... Grn 8=
Ipsos (May 29) Libs 34^... PC 36^... NDP 23v... Oth 6^

On a side note, could we be seeing the true results of the political debate with a boost in the PC ratings? There might not have been many people who saw the debate, but the number of people listening to water cooler talk and political panels is surely much higher- and they're all talking about how Wynne did the worst.

Here's hoping that it's a short-lived effect.

And to no one's surprise, the National Post endorses Hudak. I believe that the Toronto Sun will be next in line as well.
National Post editorial board: A Conservative government for Ontario
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-board-a-conservative-government-for-ontario/
 
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On a side note, could we be seeing the true results of the political debate with a boost in the PC ratings? There might not have been many people who saw the debate, but the number of people listening to water cooler talk and political panels is surely much higher- and they're all talking about how Wynne did the worst.

Here's hoping that it's a short-lived effect.

And to no one's surprise, the National Post endorses Hudak. I believe that the Toronto Sun will be next in line as well.

The Globe endorses PC too, maybe with some doubt, but they seem to conclude that the Liberals must go.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-for-a-conservative-minority/article19047636/
 

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