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Toronto transit cynicism

This website gives a much better comparison, strictly using actual metro/subway systems. And not with the grossly distorted TTC system map found on Spacing, but to-scale comparisons.

http://fakeisthenewreal.org/subway/

Does the Paris map include the RER? I don't think it does. If San Fransisco's BART is in the mix, the RER should be as well, especially since it functions as a second subway in the core area and links seamlessly with the Metro.
 
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To be fair each of those cities is much larger, much more globally significant, and started building their metro 50 years before the Yonge line was even dug, back when you could build 400 subway lines and not have to go through all the bureaucratic bullshit they do today.

Also those systems don't have the massive streetcar system we do in Toronto which, despite not being rapid transit, is still a huge portion of our public transportation. If you added that and the LRT lines then Toronto would look much more impressive.

That being said the system really is too small for a city like Toronto, and should have been expanded much before now (like the Eglinton line that was filled in by Harris).
 
Why should GO rail lines be included when they barely run outside rush hours?
By right, they should be part of the of all regional service including Toronto.

Having ridden the rail system in Glasgow, London and surrounding area, Paris and Surrounding area, Madrid, Barcelona, Marsiella, Nice and Monaco, all of them offer various types of service from the milk run to limited express. I rode a train a few days ago from Nice to Monaco where we stop at only a few stations and bypassing the others. On the way back, we stop at every station as I was not prepared to wait for the mid express as it was running late and we still beat the express train.

Run GO trains outside of rush hours is long over due as well offering an option for people to leave the car at home.

For GO to do this, they need the crews that they don't have today. If GO change its practices to what is done in Europe, you only need one man crew to run the trains/tubs/trams. When the driver is about to close the doors, he looks at the screen showing the full length of the train and then sound the horn. The doors then give a warning they are closing. Once close, the train/tram/tube depart the station.

Going from a 2 or 3 man crew to one person will increase the engineer requirement short fall if the current crew members can pass the test. It also helps to reduce operation cost.

The trains/tube length various, but seen up to 12 rail car coaches been operated this way. The tube length is all over the place, but seen 10 rail double deck coaches been used for various lines operation as a tube line or S-Bahn line.

Times are changing and we need to change with it, as we are decade behind Europe on many fronts.
 
Wow, all BART lines have a minimum 15 minute frequency all day, so that, among other things, makes it a true rapid transit system. I never realized that. Transit in the GTA truly is pathetic if even a city in Calfornia of all places has a system that outclasses it.
 
Wow, all BART lines have a minimum 15 minute frequency all day, so that, among other things, makes it a true rapid transit system. I never realized that. Transit in the GTA truly is pathetic if even a city in Calfornia of all places has a system that outclasses it.

Are you kidding? BART has less stations than our subway, and is extremely infrequent, with waits up to 20-minutes (and worse in late evening - not sure where you get 15). There isn't even much service after midnight! Some of the lines don't even run in evenings and Sundays!

The interlining of 4 lines through their downtown section has long been problematic, meaning that even in rush-hour.

I'm really amazed you'd think it outclasses TTC's subway service.
 
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Are you kidding? BART has less stations than our subway, and is extremely infrequent, with waits up to 20-minutes (and worse in late evening - not sure where you get 15). There isn't even much service after midnight! Some of the lines don't even run in evenings and Sundays!

The interlining of 4 lines through their downtown section has long been problematic, meaning that even in rush-hour.

I'm really amazed you'd think it outclasses TTC's subway service.

At least 15 minute frequency on all lines throughout the day, according to their website. And the last time I checked, the TTC Subway was not a regional rail system.
 
doady, travel to San Francisco next time and see for yourself. BART is very useful for certain trips like from the airport to Central San Francisco, or from Central San Francisco to Berkley. Public transit overall in the Bay Area is not particularly good in my personal opinion.
 
This thread isn't about public transit overall. I was just comparing BART, a regional service, to the GO Train, a regional service. When I pointed out BART's 15 minute all day frequency, I was not saying it is a better frquency than the 2 to 3 minutes of the TTC Subway. A higher frequency is better, I was not suggesting otherwise. I was just expressing my surprise that the San Francisco area could have regional rail system that outclasses the GTA's so badly.
 

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