Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[11th]

If the elevated structures have to be torn down and rebuilt, why are they so insist on sticking with the existing ROW? It's too bad they can't do an elevated routing via Danforth Road-McCowan. That would've allowed them to keep the SRT open during construction.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

11th:

Probably a lot less regulatory issues - you will probably need a lengthy EA for any other route. Plus cost - which is constrained.

AoD

 

[gweed123]

11th:

Probably a lot less regulatory issues - you will probably need a lengthy EA for any other route. Plus cost - which is constrained.

AoD

It was mentioned in the other thread (which should probably be merged into this one), that it may be a possibility to purchase a few DMUs and run them along the Stouffville line between Kennedy and Agincourt (probably adding in some temporary stations at Lawrence and Ellesmere).

The capital cost of purchasing a few DMUs and the operational cost of running the service for 4 years would probably be less than the operating cost of running buses every 2 minutes during peak in order to meet demand.

Just to confirm, GO owns the Stouffville line right? Or at least the section inside of Toronto?

 

[smallspy]

If the elevated structures have to be torn down and rebuilt....

They don't. They will get some work to refurbish them for the next 40 years of service, but nothing so drastic that they need to start from scratch.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[nfitz]

The capital cost of purchasing a few DMUs and the operational cost of running the service for 4 years would probably be less than the operating cost of running buses every 2 minutes during peak in order to meet demand.

With buses, you can use current drivers, garages, infrastructure. With a completely new type of train, you'll have to train operators, provide maintenance facilities (and probably build something, as the O-Train vehicles aren't allowed to operate on mainline tracks), etc.

Though there are certainly precedents. AMT in Montreal operated a temporary commuter train years ago from Du College metro to Repentigny, while the Metropolitan was reconstructed - over 20 years before they started running a regular service on that line.

Webster clearly wasn't briefed well, as initially he said it would be closed from 2015 to 2022; and now he says that it will be 2019 that piece opens. I expect he has confused the start date of construction, rather than the date when service will be suspended. By far the biggest part of the project is the new platforms at Kennedy, can be constructed without suspending service. Much of the structure of the station expansions can also be constructed before service is stopped.

I doubt they've actually even established a proper time-line for the closure yet, and somewhere in the Transit City department, some is hitting his head against the wall about how Webster clearly doesn't understand the project.

 

[Dan416]

As I said in the other thread, this shows that the SRT should have been run into the ground while a Danforth extension on a more conventional routing were built.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

It was mentioned in the other thread (which should probably be merged into this one), that it may be a possibility to purchase a few DMUs and run them along the Stouffville line between Kennedy and Agincourt (probably adding in some temporary stations at Lawrence and Ellesmere).

The capital cost of purchasing a few DMUs and the operational cost of running the service for 4 years would probably be less than the operating cost of running buses every 2 minutes during peak in order to meet demand.

Just to confirm, GO owns the Stouffville line right? Or at least the section inside of Toronto?

All of it.

 

[tabeesh]

Preliminary Design for Bathurst Station and feedback site:

http://www.thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/online-consultation-bathurst-station

The lack of a downloadable PDF of the presentation is quite annoying - it forces users to stay online to read the document.

AoD

I sent a comment into their liaison staff to see if they could post a PDF and lo and behold they actually did. Have a look: http://www.thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/online-consultation-bathurst-station .

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

How many MORE buses and DRIVERS will they need? Weren't they told to reduce? Isn't it more expensive to use buses and drivers?

 

[nfitz]

How many MORE buses and DRIVERS will they need? Weren't they told to reduce? Isn't it more expensive to use buses and drivers?

Presumably any additional money necessary to buy buses, and operate a replacement service would come out of Metrolinx funding for the project. Might even be in TTCs favour, if they get the buses after it's all over.

 

[sixrings]

There is a article today out of the globe talking about how the sheppard line will need a extra 10 million in funding to study if private partnership will be viable. OK Heres just my CRAZY thought. What if the Eglinton Line went underground from Weston to Laird. Then at laird it would run at surface on the south side of the street until after the DVP (this allows it to go under the VIA bridge and the DVP bridge) then it would go elevated to Kennedy. From Kennedy it would go elevated to STC. WHY NOT AT STC turn north on Mccowan up to sheppard and then West to Don Mills elevated. ALSO A THOUGHT. If the line was Monorail or whatever then when it gets to Don Mills would it not be able to get to yonge with a conversion that DOES NOT INCLUDE LOWERING THE PLATFORMS.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

tabeesh:

Thanks for the update. I sent them a message re: the PDF too, guess enough individuals made that issue known for something to be done about it!

AoD

 

[Eug]

There is a article today out of the globe talking about how the sheppard line will need a extra 10 million in funding to study if private partnership will be viable. OK Heres just my CRAZY thought. What if the Eglinton Line went underground from Weston to Laird. Then at laird it would run at surface on the south side of the street until after the DVP (this allows it to go under the VIA bridge and the DVP bridge) then it would go elevated to Kennedy. From Kennedy it would go elevated to STC. WHY NOT AT STC turn north on Mccowan up to sheppard and then West to Don Mills elevated. ALSO A THOUGHT. If the line was Monorail or whatever then when it gets to Don Mills would it not be able to get to yonge with a conversion that DOES NOT INCLUDE LOWERING THE PLATFORMS.

So, what would be the price differential for elevation vs. underground?

If it's only a couple of 10s of millions of dollars per km saved, would it actually be worth it, considering the potential disadvantages?

BTW, with that layout, Laird to DVP would be a huge traffic bottleneck, which would defeat the point of elevating the line after the DVP.

 

[Darwinkgo]

Elevated unless it requires way more property purchases to avoid taking road capacity, would be a huge cost reduction, on the order of 50%.

 

[gweed123]

Elevated unless it requires way more property purchases to avoid taking road capacity, would be a huge cost reduction, on the order of 50%.

Put it in the median. If there was enough room for LRT in the median, there's enough room for an elevated structure. The stations would be a bit more complex, but it's not like a station has never been built over a road before.