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[McGillicuddy]

When you see how much money this will bring in it won't be a joke.

First round or not this gets us a ton of tourists and put on the global stage. Like Sarajevo with the 1984 Olympics it is all about the name recognition.

Gotta say, the 1984 Olympics are not the top-of-mind thing for me when I contemplate Sarajevo.

 

[nfitz]

Likewise, Google tells me that that there are around 3-4,000 people living 'in the rough' in Paris these days (Toronto is roughly 3.5x this number in region about 1/2 the size)..... of which many sleep in the Metro.

I thought the 15,000ish number for Toronto is for homeless people, not the sleeping rough. There's 10,000 beds in the Toronto shelter system. The total who are sleeping rough in Toronto must be similar.

Gotta say, the 1984 Olympics are not the top-of-mind thing for me when I contemplate Sarajevo.

It certainly was for me, before the war. And I don't think we'll actually get invaded by the USA, despite their threats.

But I think Toronto has pretty good name recognition. And will one be getting much for a competition where Toronto is one of 16 venues; including such places like Kansas City and Monterrey?

 

[urbanclient]

I thought the 15,000ish number for Toronto is for homeless people, not the sleeping rough.

The numbers Northern Light gave and implied seem to be within reason. Apples to apples enough. *edit* More to the point, I think authorities cleaned up and improved transit leading up to the Olympics, when I was there last. A local seemed to concur. So homeless being less visible in inner Paris makes sense.

The homeless rate in Canada is much higher than many developed countries, including the United States.

Our housing crisis is pretty severe. It's inevitable that some people will be pushed into homelessness when rent is so high relative to income.

 

[Northern Light]

I thought the 15,000ish number for Toronto is for homeless people, not the sleeping rough. There's 10,000 beds in the Toronto shelter system.

Correct, 10,700 shelter beds, fully occupied most nights, estimates for those who are homeless and un-sheltered range from 3-5,000 on most nights

The total who are sleeping rough in Toronto must be similar.

Probably, but difficult to assess the overall problem comparably, keeping in mind many homeless shelter in transit during the day, regardless of where they stay at night.

I tried digging up Shelter numbers in Paris, and what I get is this.......

- National numbers-

France 185,000 in shelters, no regional breakdown.

Of those 100,000 are asylum seekers in 'refugee' housing.

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There are ~271,000 Rent-Geared-to-Income housing units in Paris, which is ~23% of all housing. This would be for the City of Paris (not Ile de France) As the City has about 2,000,000 units of housing

There are 60,000 total units under TCHC or similar, but some of these are market units, its estimated that 41,000 households are currently in RGI housing of some type, in Toronto. Toronto has about 1.16 million units of housing total in the City.

So even the gross number is maybe 6%

Apple to Apples can be quite a challenge.

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Likewise, compare Toronto's 'dirtiest' station to a median Paris station unfavourably, but you could do the reverse as well. Trying to quantify the median is a bit harder.

 

[nfitz]

Probably, but difficult to assess the overall problem comparably, keeping in mind many homeless shelter in transit during the day, regardless of where they stay at night.

Excellent point!