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Roads: GTA West Corridor—Highway 413

JJTheJetPln said:
It's so annoying how they're talking about doing what they're doing to connect the 410 to the 413, but we still have a bottleneck from Clark to Queen. I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs wondering when they'll be working on this project to fix that bottleneck.

Documents & Links – MTO – Highway 410 Queen Street to Bovaird Drive

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Ford loves to talk new highways but has put basically no money towards upgrading existing ones. The only widenings he has funded in his premiership is the 400 widening and the 401 widening in Tilbury, which arguably was completely unnecessary.
 
dullturtle06 said:
So we should get ride of sidewalks too, because it's a was of energy. Better to just focus on driving right, the most expensive mode of transportation. I like that. Rual communities should have no options to move around. Also why spend millions connecting roads to communities either, waste of energy and money right.
I disagree, it think rual communities deserve to have mobility options and have improved mobility.
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Tone down the hyperbole here. Like sidewalks in these areas, there is nothing inherently wrong with bike lanes. As you go through road reconstructions there isn't anything wrong with adding cycling infrastructure just like sidewalks, though these municipalities should be wary about maintenance costs of the facilities given their very low utilization. What I'm saying (and this is very off topic for this thread) is that towns like Bracebridge and Huntsville should not be spending immense amounts of funds or staff time on creating an extensive cycling network as it's simply not going to get significant results in modal share shifts like it may in Downtown Toronto. Sure, if you are doing a full depth reconstruction of a street it doesn't hurt to throw in some dedicated infrastructure, but the reality is that any bike lane put in these towns will probably have daily average usage rates you can count on your hands. It should not be a focus.

And "why waste money building roads" is frankly ridiculous. Unlike cycling 97% of mobility in these communities is by car - roads have far more utility.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Tone down the hyperbole here. Like sidewalks in these areas, there is nothing inherently wrong with bike lanes. As you go through road reconstructions there isn't anything wrong with adding cycling infrastructure just like sidewalks, though these municipalities should be wary about maintenance costs of the facilities given their very low utilization. What I'm saying (and this is very off topic for this thread) is that towns like Bracebridge and Huntsville should not be spending immense amounts of funds or staff time on creating an extensive cycling network as it's simply not going to get significant results in modal share shifts like it may in Downtown Toronto. Sure, if you are doing a full depth reconstruction of a street it doesn't hurt to throw in some dedicated infrastructure, but the reality is that any bike lane put in these towns will probably have daily average usage rates you can count on your hands. It should not be a focus.

And "why waste money building roads" is frankly ridiculous. Unlike cycling 97% of mobility in these communities is by car - roads have far more utility.
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Last replay on this. But just wanted to share what can be done when towns are built for people not just cars. I would recommend this video on the change that can be accomplished with some vision. Video by Road Guy Rob

 
This is Highway 413 related, and maybe 401 tunnel.
Because really, a full Highway 413 ring road around Toronto (joining with Highway 412 in the East) is a much better solution than a 401 tunnel.
The tough part is from Bathurst to Yonge. that subdivision is about 20 years. old. I suspect a 401-Windsor style earth covered bridge would be required for this 2 or 3km stretch.
The next tough part is the new subdivision in Gormley, that has just been built, that stretches from Stouffville Road to Bethesda Road, at Leslie. I drew is curving south of Stouffville Road.
It is a relatively easy task to get from Highway 404 to 412.

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Westey said:
This is Highway 413 related, and maybe 401 tunnel.
Because really, a full Highway 413 ring road around Toronto (joining with Highway 412 in the East) is a much better solution than a 401 tunnel.
The tough part is from Bathurst to Yonge. that subdivision is about 20 years. old. I suspect a 401-Windsor style earth covered bridge would be required for this 2 or 3km stretch.
The next tough part is the new subdivision in Gormley, that has just been built, that stretches from Stouffville Road to Bethesda Road, at Leslie. I drew is curving south of Stouffville Road.
It is a relatively easy task to get from Highway 404 to 412.

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You re-direct the CPKC mainline to run parallel with the proposed 413 and this proposed 413 extension and you've created the full CPKC freight bypass. Have CPKC's freight bypass re-connect with their existing mainline somewhere north of Pickering/ east of Scarborough. The Midtown line is now available for passenger rail.
 
Westey said:
This is Highway 413 related, and maybe 401 tunnel.
Because really, a full Highway 413 ring road around Toronto (joining with Highway 412 in the East) is a much better solution than a 401 tunnel.
The tough part is from Bathurst to Yonge. that subdivision is about 20 years. old. I suspect a 401-Windsor style earth covered bridge would be required for this 2 or 3km stretch.
The next tough part is the new subdivision in Gormley, that has just been built, that stretches from Stouffville Road to Bethesda Road, at Leslie. I drew is curving south of Stouffville Road.
It is a relatively easy task to get from Highway 404 to 412.

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Ah yes, casually build a freeway through Bond Lake, because that totally won't completely piss off everyone living in Oak Ridges. This is one of the most popular hiking spots for this part of York Region, a freeway here will not be received well at all.
 
Jm gravel said:
And you join the 413 to the 401 in Milton? Have you driven the 401 to Kitchener lately?
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That's the plan. 413 will join the 401 at the northeast corner of Milton. The 413 traffic can disperse over the 401 in both directions, and the 407 in both directions (including briefly on the 407 to the 403 to Burlington/Oakville.).


With the 401 being widened from 6 to 10 lanes west of the 407, I don't think it will be a big issue. I'd think that some of the westbound 401 traffic (for example) that currently gets off at Trafalgar, and heads north to Georgetown will instead get on 413 northbound and take it to Highway 7/Boivard.
 
nfitz said:
That's the plan. 413 will join the 401 at the northeast corner of Milton. The 413 traffic can disperse over the 401 in both directions, and the 407 in both directions (including briefly on the 407 to the 403 to Burlington/Oakville.).


With the 401 being widened from 6 to 10 lanes west of the 407, I don't think it will be a big issue. I'd think that some of the westbound 401 traffic (for example) that currently gets off at Trafalgar, and heads north to Georgetown will instead get on 413 northbound and take it to Highway 7/Boivard.
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Just to play it safe, maybe extend a branch from Highway 413 to Highway 6 (Hanlon Expwy) and continue to K-W.
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nfitz said:
That's the cancelled GTA West corridor project.
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Yes, the original study area was big enough to cover a route from N Brampton to Guelph.
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But the "Halton Peel Boundary Area Transportation Study showed the need for an expressway between Mayfield Rd and the 401/407 junction and the GTA-West scope changed to take in that proposal.

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Those of us living in Georgetown and Acton expect that driving route algorithms will direct a lot of traffic, to/from Guelph, through our towns instead of by the 413-401-6 route.
 
The MTO studies that were on the 413 website for years (now removed for some reason) showed it as MTO expecting the 401 corridor to be able to accommodate growth between the GTA and Guelph/KWC at 10 lanes through the study period (2041).

They did not intend to close the possibility of a 413-Guelph connection entirely, just that it was not necessary for the next 30 years (at the time). It's still possible MTO will come back to it at a later time.

Even the 413 itself as currently planned was ruled as needed, but only later in the study period closer to 2041. The interim recommendation was to focus on upgrading existing corridors. MTO originally intended to design the 413 to protect the corridor but leave construction for later in the 2030's. Ford changed that by bringing it back from the dead and putting it at the top of MTO's priority list.

Of course the Ford government has done the opposite, neglecting existing 400-series highways to drown in traffic while prioritizing expensive, long lead time new corridors which while having large impacts on local areas and arterial road traffic, will have small impacts on the provincial highway network's level of congestion.
 
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