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Waterfront Transit Reset Phase 1 Study

How should Toronto connect the East and West arms of the planned waterfront transit with downtown?

  • Expand the existing Union loop

    Votes: 220 70.5%
  • Build a Western terminus

    Votes: 16 5.1%
  • Route service along Queen's Quay with pedestrian/cycle/bus connection to Union

    Votes: 34 10.9%
  • Connect using existing Queen's Quay/Union Loop and via King Street

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 17 5.4%

  • Total voters
    312
Call me crazy, but if Metrolinx had brains they also would engage with Oxford and pay up some $$$ to build in a provision for another bus terminal inside the HUB.

GO buses aint going anywhere, anytime soon from the current station and it's only getting busier.
 
Call me crazy, but if Metrolinx had brains they also would engage with Oxford and pay up some $$$ to build in a provision for another bus terminal inside the HUB.

GO buses aint going anywhere, anytime soon from the current station and it's only getting busier.
For GO buses to get downtown, they have to fight their way along either DVP or Gardiner. Is there merit in having some routes serve Don Mills-Eglinton Ontario Line station once that is online, to take pressure off the downtown terminal?
 
IMO, highways in Toronto should have dedicated, transit bus-only lanes. Camera'd up to catch any drivers daring to using the transit bus lanes, much like the 407 uses them to charge people for using the highway. These lanes could easily double up as an additional emergency lane as well.
 
Call me crazy, but if Metrolinx had brains they also would engage with Oxford and pay up some $$$ to build in a provision for another bus terminal inside the HUB.

GO buses aint going anywhere, anytime soon from the current station and it's only getting busier.
GO bus traffic downtown is anticipated to drop a lot as GO expansion comes online - it already has much lower bus volumes into Downtown than it did a decade ago despite your assertions. As off-peak GO services increase there will be relatively few GO bus services into downtown. The Milton line is the only line with replacement bus service with no real plans for off-peak services.
 
GO bus traffic downtown is anticipated to drop a lot as GO expansion comes online - it already has much lower bus volumes into Downtown than it did a decade ago despite your assertions. As off-peak GO services increase there will be relatively few GO bus services into downtown. The Milton line is the only line with replacement bus service with no real plans for off-peak services.
Weirdly enough the few times I've seen the GO bus on the DVP as a life long Toronto resident only ONE was using the HOV section
 
Weirdly enough the few times I've seen the GO bus on the DVP as a life long Toronto resident only ONE was using the HOV section
I used to see them frequently enough heading south, when I was frequently driving that in PM rush a couple of years ago. Often I was sitting in the third lane, crawling, and suddenly this massive thing was zooming past me - the whole car seemed to shudder a bit with the wind.
 
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GO bus traffic downtown is anticipated to drop a lot as GO expansion comes online - it already has much lower bus volumes into Downtown than it did a decade ago despite your assertions. As off-peak GO services increase there will be relatively few GO bus services into downtown. The Milton line is the only line with replacement bus service with no real plans for off-peak services.
Well again, that's going off of Metrolinx' "promises" of GO Expansion.

We've seen it with them time and time again, they promise one thing and a whole other thing unfolds. GO Electrification is so down in the future, and the scope keeps getting watered down. We really dont know when expansion will unfold, especially when there are so many promised projects which Metrolinx havent been completed, and there are no solid timelines on when they will be completed.

We'e been promised off-peak service for many lines (ie: Kitchener) and while that has gotten underway, it's still languishing behind and no where near frequent enough.

GO bus volumes to Union have been reduced because:

a) Metrolinx shifted some routes to no longer serve Union Station, due to the Gardiner congestion screwing up travel times so badly on routes
b) the GO bus fleet being constrained and they werent able to add capacity to many routes which are/were in desperate need of increased service. The recent order of buses will help alleviate that constraint, so bus service on many routes can now be increased.

Intercity bus demand has increased, and continues to increase. Various operators in an ideal world are looking to increase service to Union. The reason they cant/dont bolster their service as much as they would like is because of: a) slot restrictions and, b) the insane travel times into the downtown core.

For GO buses to get downtown, they have to fight their way along either DVP or Gardiner. Is there merit in having some routes serve Don Mills-Eglinton Ontario Line station once that is online, to take pressure off the downtown terminal?
Don Valley station isnt able to accommodate GO buses unfortunately, and Metrolinx has a phobia of providing services in Toronto where it's seen as a "duplicate" to the TTC.

I've sent notes to them countless times asking for why certain routes dont service places like Yorkdale, Kipling, and York Mills. And it's always one contradicting BS answer after another. Sometimes they dont want buses to get caught up in traffic, other times there's already a "parallel service" in place offered by the TTC.
 
What does this have to do with the thread title??
 
Could this proposed (new) money help get the Bay tunnel to Union work started?? It is, supposedly, a City Top Priority item!

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Could this proposed (new) money help get the Bay tunnel to Union work started?? It is, supposedly, a City Top Priority item!

You say City Top Priority like the city has a choice in the matter. The provincial government makes applications to the feds and federal programs need really broad rules so all provinces can take part. Some provinces ask for input from the cities and has the city execute the work BUT if there are new transit dollars on the table, Ford will direct them to a project he can put his name on and have Metrolinx execute it.
 
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You say City Top Priority like the city has a choice in the matter. The provincial government makes applications to the feds and receives the money (and passes it to the city to execute). If there are transit dollars on the table, Ford will direct them to a project he can put his name on.

The feds have by-passed the Province already with funding so I wouldn't be surprised if they do so again. It also helps that this could just be a WaterfronToronto project, which is partly run by the feds.
 
Could this proposed (new) money help get the Bay tunnel to Union work started?? It is, supposedly, a City Top Priority item!

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If it's split across the country and split into housing, transportation, and health.. there won't actually be that much. Toronto represents about 7% of the Canadian population, so if it theoretically gets $3.5 billion.. but if it's split 30/30/30 healthcare, infrastructure, housing.. that's only about a billion dollars for transportation in Toronto.

Most likely the city will simply throw it at it's infrastructure backlog to replace more bridges and better maintain the TTC or something.
 
This in Board Book for WT Board tomorrow - fine words but no obvious action!

Waterfront East Transit
Waterfront East Transit is a planned extension of the streetcar network, connecting Union Station to Ookwemin Minising via Cherry Street and Commissioners Street, and extending the existing 504A King Street streetcar from the Distillery Loop to Ookwemin Minising. This project will significantly improve transit access for key waterfront communities including the Central Waterfront, Lower Yonge, East Bayfront, Quayside, Keating Precinct, Lower Don Lands, andPort Lands. It is a critical element in the future development of new communities on Ookwemin Minising and the eastern waterfront.
Upon completion, Waterfront East Transit will span over 3.8 kms and is being planned with the capacity to accommodate over 50,000 daily trips, supporting an estimated 100,000 residents in the eastern waterfront at full build out. The new line will serve as a vital regional connection ,linking new housing and commercial developments on Ookwemin Minising to the Ontario Line and Union Station.
Waterfront Toronto, in partnership with the City of Toronto and TTC, has achieved substantial completion of the 60% detailed design stage for two segments, comprised of all above-ground components of the line. The project team is now advancing toward tender-ready drawings forthe Queens Quay East Extension early works component.
Recent developer market-soundings have reaffirmed that the implementation of higher order transit is essential to unlocking the viability of new housing on Ookwemin Minising by improving accessibility, marketability, and affordability. Establishing a transit-oriented community is also critical to reducing car dependency and enabling planned residential density.
 

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