kaptrice
New Member
Can't quite remember - is that inclusive of trial running and the RSD? or is the RSD another month tacked on at the end
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cplchanb
Senior Member
saw 1 train being tested at at the don valley stop at 9:06 this morning.
christiesplits
Senior Member
Is there a document that has the budget for constructing each underground Crosstown station?
Alternatively, does anyone have ballpark figure?
Alternatively, does anyone have ballpark figure?
nfitz
Superstar
I don't know why Metrolinx would necessarily have that number - unless it came up in litigation.
TOtramz
Active Member
one way to look at this is to look at the total contract cost (I think it was $7 billion), and try and subtract the maintenance and tunnel portion out of it. The surface portion is not insignificant, but we can assume they would be a 1/100 of the cost of an underground station.
I don't have solid numbers unfortunately but I'm open to feedback on what I have said.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
A big factor in station cost is depth, and the Crosstown stations are quite deep. It might explain why they have done some things that look like they would constrain costs, such as fairly uniform station design in the underground sections.
I was hoping they'd give more detail in this report, but they don't give breakdowns other than talking about the factors that make up the costs
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Soft costs, which include expenses like planning, design, land acquisition, and contingencies, are a significant factor in the rising costs and extended timelines of transit projects in North America, often exceeding hard costs (actual construction).
marko16
New Member
Are you talking about sunnybrook park station? I saw an lrt around 2 pm at that stop.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Well, if we look at how the study broke things down, they say Metrolinx spends about 17.9% of the budget on stations, so out of the 7 billion for the crosstown, that would be 1.25 billion. There's 15 underground stations in phase one, so assuming about 80% of the station costs is the underground part, that would work out to about 66 million per station, which actually is quite a bargain, compared to say the 134 million HIghway 407 station
T3G
Senior Member
Question concerning the simulated testing: is that meant to simulate full, 7 days a week service? (I.E. if one was to be found along Eglinton Avenue post-March 30, would it be reasonable to expect to see trains running past at all times of the day?)
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Also, in what is probably a surprise to no-one, they spend almost as much on consultants as the stations themselves :|Well, if we look at how the study broke things down, they say Metrolinx spends about 17.9% of the budget on stations, so out of the 7 billion for the crosstown, that would be 1.25 billion. There's 15 underground stations in phase one, so assuming about 80% of the station costs is the underground part, that would work out to about 66 million per station, which actually is quite a bargain, compared to say the 134 million HIghway 407 station
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
TOtramz
Active Member
66 million per station feels way too low.Well, if we look at how the study broke things down, they say Metrolinx spends about 17.9% of the budget on stations, so out of the 7 billion for the crosstown, that would be 1.25 billion. There's 15 underground stations in phase one, so assuming about 80% of the station costs is the underground part, that would work out to about 66 million per station, which actually is quite a bargain, compared to say the 134 million HIghway 407 station
I mean we're spending almost a billion dollars on expanding bloor-yonge, so sub 100mil for a station seems a bit of a stretch.
generalcanada
Senior Member
Bloor-yonge is quite complex. its not like you can jut dig down and build a new station.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Not necessarily, if memory serves Ottawa's stations were below 40 million for the underground ones, and it was built in the same time period, the entire tunnel itself and stations cost around 500 million