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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

nfitz said:
Yes - there's even signage these days - https://www.torontopearson.com/en/transportation-and-parking/ride-sharing

Though I find it more convenient to just grab a taxi - rather than having to book something.

Also, it's only a 25-minute walk from Terminal 3 to the International Centre (I'm not aware of a sidewalk from Terminal 1 to Airport Road).
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Unless there is a route I can't picture, you'd have to get to T3 and go out the far (north) exit - where the out-of-town vans and limos pool - and walk out American Dr. That end of T3 is actually quite close to Airport Rd.
 
lenaitch said:
Unless there is a route I can't picture, you'd have to get to T3 and go out the far (north) exit - where the out-of-town vans and limos pool - and walk out American Dr. That end of T3 is actually quite close to Airport Rd.
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Thanks everyone for your help. But it’s ridiculous if that’s what it takes on a weekday morning to get to one of the GTA’s largest venues from downtown Toronto. I’ll just drive my car.
 
Jonny5 said:
There was apparently another several hour delay with trapped passengers and zero information last night.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571314845919678468

Story ends, they never did unload, but they were moving again another hour later.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1571325472943792129

Most significant is this series of long delays is being talked about in the general public.
I was at a wedding last weekend and I mentioned I took GO to get there and people were laughing about how I was lucky that I made it there on time. These are people who never use GO, but you can be sure now they never will. They've heard about how it's in such a terrible state right now they would never ever consider it. And they are right too. The risk of some 3 hour delay trapped on a shitty train is not worth it.

I would say GO is officially in a state of decline at this point. They are embarrassingly failing at responding to this too. It's shocking, but the new reality that driving is on the way up and transit on the way down, and a lot of that is on the transit agencies failing at every single thing they can. GO now is starting to look like the dark day of Gordon Chong and commuters counting on the train being significantly late to work at least once per week, every week.

The system is broken.
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This was as a result of a vandalism incident that was later deemed to be gunshots fired at a CN freight train running just ahead of the GO.

Considering that the police were roaming around looking for what they thought was an active shooter, it seems prudent to me to not offload the passengers.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
This was as a result of a vandalism incident that was later deemed to be gunshots fired at a CN freight train running just ahead of the GO.

Considering that the police were roaming around looking for what they thought was an active shooter, it seems prudent to me to not offload the passengers.

Dan
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For three hours? No. That is at best security theatre, and most likely a total fabrication by some party in the information chain. Someone targeting a train to, what, kill it? I'm sure it's possible shots were fired, but this seems quite an after-the-fact explanation.
If true, that's actually more pathetic than the now apparently totally made up stated reason for locking down.
You know what would have kept the passengers safe if all that was true? Getting them the fuck out of there immediately! What wouldn't keep them safe; stopping the train in front of an alleged "active shooter" for three hours. What a joke. Did the Uvalde School District Police who were fired all get hired in York Region?
 
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Jonny5 said:
For three hours? No. That is at best security theatre, and most likely a total fabrication by some party in the information chain. Someone targeting a train to, what, kill it? I'm sure it's possible shots were fired, but this seems quite an after-the-fact explanation.
If true, that's actually more pathetic than the now apparently totally made up stated reason for locking down.
You know what would have kept the passengers safe if all that was true? Getting them the fuck out of there immediately! What wouldn't keep them safe; stopping the train in front of an alleged "active shooter" for three hours. What a joke. Did the Uvalde School District Police who were fired all get hired in York Region?
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The windows on the trains are bullet proof, so they would’ve been generally okay.
 
Jonny5 said:
For three hours? No. That is at best security theatre, and most likely a total fabrication by some party in the information chain. Someone targeting a train to, what, kill it? I'm sure it's possible shots were fired, but this seems quite an after-the-fact explanation.
If true, that's actually more pathetic than the now apparently totally made up stated reason for locking down.
You know what would have kept the passengers safe if all that was true? Getting them the fuck out of there immediately! What wouldn't keep them safe; stopping the train in front of an alleged "active shooter" for three hours. What a joke. Did the Uvalde School District Police who were fired all get hired in York Region?
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You can think what you want to. My information is coming from people inside CN, not Metrolinx.

For the record, the GO train was a couple of miles away from the CN train in the incident, but also not particularly close to a station. And it would have been impossible to gather enough buses and drivers for the estimated 1700 people onboard.

Willybru21 said:
The windows on the trains are bullet proof, so they would’ve been generally okay.
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"Bullet proof" isn't quite as perfect as the movies make it out to be. The conductor of the train got a face full of glass and needed to go to hospital.

Dan
 
If the police declared it unsafe for the passenger train to proceed - well, I'm not going to second guess that decision. Taking the safest course is always appropriate.

Nevertheless - When a train of passengers halts anywhere other than in a station where they can choose to stay on board and wait things out, or find their own way onwards..... a clock should start ticking. At some threshold, the situation ceases to be benign. The more crowded the train is, the more urgent that situation becomes. ML may not be in a position to evacuate, but I would wonder for instance whether the train was halted at a crossing (where it was accessible by emergency crews, if needed). There is also the issue of bathrooms.....

Human beings do not have a "hibernate" setting and the authorities should not be pretending that they do.

- Paul
 
Allandale25 said:
What about Union to Weston or the airport via UPX and then an Uber?
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Hmmm..... too late for today, but I might have found train options I could have taken. The GO Train website seems to force the user to switch between different routes.

Here's a 9:34 am from Union that I might have taken, I think.
 
crs1026 said:
If the police declared it unsafe for the passenger train to proceed - well, I'm not going to second guess that decision. Taking the safest course is always appropriate.

Nevertheless - When a train of passengers halts anywhere other than in a station where they can choose to stay on board and wait things out, or find their own way onwards..... a clock should start ticking. At some threshold, the situation ceases to be benign. The more crowded the train is, the more urgent that situation becomes. ML may not be in a position to evacuate, but I would wonder for instance whether the train was halted at a crossing (where it was accessible by emergency crews, if needed). There is also the issue of bathrooms.....

Human beings do not have a "hibernate" setting and the authorities should not be pretending that they do.

- Paul
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Again - contingency planning. As you say, at some determined point, a plan has to be engaged to get people off the train. Provided the train is moveable enough to get to a crossing, it needs to be unloaded and passengers taken, well, somewhere. If GO can't muster up a fleet, then local transit, school buses, whatever. Depending on distances to a drop point, you don't even need bus capacity for the whole train if shuttling works. Towns and cities are capable of doing this at fire scenes.

I'm not going to engage in a fake news debate. The different accounts regarding cause could be innocent, although public information people should know better than to speculate and to keep messaging consistent. If something breaks a window, it's more natural in this country to assume vandalism or debris rather than a shooter, and I'll take that as a good thing.

The term "bullet proof" is pretty meaningless as a general statement, and I would be very surprised if railway locomotive and passenger car windows were certified as such (why would they?). Impact resistant tempered or laminated glass perhaps.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Hmmm..... too late for today, but I might have found train options I could have taken. The GO Train website seems to force the user to switch between different routes.

Here's a 9:34 am from Union that I might have taken, I think.
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That's the current earliest Westbound Kitchener line train, there was a 6:34,7:34 and 8:34 train last September but those obviously required 3 extra crews that GO seems to be short on
 
smallspy said:
You can think what you want to. My information is coming from people inside CN, not Metrolinx.

For the record, the GO train was a couple of miles away from the CN train in the incident, but also not particularly close to a station. And it would have been impossible to gather enough buses and drivers for the estimated 1700 people onboard.


"Bullet proof" isn't quite as perfect as the movies make it out to be. The conductor of the train got a face full of glass and needed to go to hospital.

Dan
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What I heard was someone threw a rock at the train which shattered the window... however rumors just spread like wildfire at macmillan so I'm not sure how accurate that is...
 
lenaitch said:
The term "bullet proof" is pretty meaningless as a general statement, and I would be very surprised if railway locomotive and passenger car windows were certified as such (why would they?). Impact resistant tempered or laminated glass perhaps.
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The gist of the rule states that the windows need to be strong enough to withstand the equivalent of a cinderblock being thrown at a window at about 30mph, and to not have that window fall out of its mounting.

Colloquially within the industry, they are considered "bullet proof".

Dan
 
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