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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Steve X said:
They might as well not build the LRT if the plan is for a frequent bus service. Finch West won't get a bus service in parallel of the LRT, it just makes no sense.
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We're probably a couple of community consultations away from having a parallel '36 Finch' service to serve Finch West if anything.
The plan for a local bus service overlapping the surface section of the LRT has little grounds to stand on, but hopefully service east of Science center gets reduced a couple of months/year after line 5 opens.
 
W. K. Lis said:
27 Jane South
Renamed Southern Section of 35 Jane
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times
The section of the 35 Jane south of Eglinton Ave will operate as a separate route between the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to Jane Station on Line 2, and will be renamed to the 27 Jane South. By separating the 27 Jane South from the 35 Jane, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. In addition, along with 35 Jane, this portion of the route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5 to provide a new direct connection for customers to the rapid transit line.

Buses on the 27 Jane South will operate from Mount Dennis Station via Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr, south on Jane St to Jane Station on Line 2. Overall, this change will make service better for customers and for this reason it is recommended.

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W. K. Lis said:
35 Jane
Adjusted to Terminate at the New Mount Dennis Station on Line 5
City wards: Ward 5 - York South-Weston
Time periods: All times

The recommended 35 Jane route will be adjusted to terminate at the new Mount Dennis Station on Line 5, providing customers on Jane St north of Eglinton Ave West with a
direct connection to Line 5. In addition, by shortening the 35 Jane to Eglinton Ave and serving the southern section of the route with the 27 Jane South, customers can expect more reliable service on the route and service levels better tailored to ridership demand. Customers that are travelling through Eglinton Ave can still make use of 935 Jane Express, which will remain unchanged. The 35 Jane service will continue to operate two branches. The 35A will operate from Pioneer Village Station to Mount Dennis Station via Steeles Ave West, Jane St, Eglinton Ave West, Keelesdale Rd, Photography Dr to Mount Dennis Station. The 35B service will operate during peak periods from Pioneer
Village Station to Mount Dennis Station along the same route with the addition of Peter Kaiser Gate, Hullmar Dr and York Gate.

The change would provide a direct connection to customers transferring to Line 5. This change would make service worse for customers currently travelling across Jane St
through Eglinton Ave West as they would experience longer travel times and an additional transfer between 35 Jane and 27 Jane South at Mount Dennis Station. As
well, those who choose to utilize 935 Jane Express instead might experience longer walk and wait times due to the limited stop and less frequent service. However, the
change in weighted travel time shows that the benefit of the new connection to Line 5 is greater than the inconvenience of the additional transfer or walk and wait time. Overall,
the change would make service better for customers and therefore is recommended.

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They have added left turn signals to the southbound Jane & Eglinton intersection, but not yet activated. Currently, they have left signals for the northbound Jane & Eglinton intersection. Would have thought they would have improved the farside eastbound bus stop at the Jane & Eglinton intersection, but is currently just the right traffic lane.
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Currently, there is a farside eastbound bus stop at Jane & Eglinton. No bus bay.

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From link.
It is mostly used by the eastbound 32D EGLINTON WEST bus, who turn left off the southbound Jane Street to the eastbound Eglinton Avenue West. With the opening of Line 5, the 32D will be replaced with the 170 EMMETT bus.

In addition, when Line 5 opens, the farside eastbound Jane & Eglinton bus stop will be used by the 170 EMMETT, 32 JANE, and 27 JANE SOUTH buses, and sometimes the 32 EGLINGTON WEST bus. Wondering if the farside bus stop should be upgraded to a bus bay, this year?

Customers that are travelling through Eglinton Ave West can still make use of 935 Jane Express, which will remain unchanged.
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Customers can also transfer from the 935 to the 35 or 27, or vise-versa.
 
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rbt said:
Opening or hand-off to the TTC to begin testing?

If it's opening, then TTC will need access soon to find the flaws and have them fixed. IIRC, they spent something like 8 months testing the Spadina extension.
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I don't think the TTC is responsible for that. They are simply operating the line. Not doing testing/maintenance etc
 
rbt said:
Opening or hand-off to the TTC to begin testing?

If it's opening, then TTC will need access soon to find the flaws and have them fixed. IIRC, they spent something like 8 months testing the Spadina extension.
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That is an impossible date. Drive along Eglinton and you’ll see that there is no way this line will open this year. Just look at Yonge and Eglinton. I’d say it’s late 2023 at best.
 
lead82 said:
That is an impossible date. Drive along Eglinton and you’ll see that there is no way this line will open this year. Just look at Yonge and Eglinton. I’d say it’s late 2023 at best.
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Tunnels are finished. I see individual stations approaching a finished state. As they get completed, the workers will be added to the remaining stations. Come spring, we will see a speed up of "finishing" such as glass and tile work.

Have you ever been to sub-divisions or condos, where the workers are still working on the buildings, while other parts get occupied? The last tend to be the landscaping.
 
^Has any timeline been announced for hiring operators ?

At some point operator training will begin. And then when they have sufficient operators qualified, they will have to run full blown stress tests for operation. One would hope that they will simulate full rush hour headways with 3-car trains and realistic dwell timings. One really ought to test winter conditions, and under real traffic conditions ie not on a weekend or at night, given there is road traffic signal integration..

Their last window for cold weather testing ends in about six weeks. If they are aiming for October, I hope they have been doing lots of testing over the past 6-8 weeks on the surface portions especially. Otherwise, the first winter could be rough. That, plus the traffic signal tweaking, could lead to the system getting a bad rep if the first few months of service don’t go well.

I may sound extreme, but this is the point in the project where the “what could go wrong” mentality ought to carry a lot of weight. Rushing the in service date while hoping for the best is not wise.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
^Has any timeline been announced for hiring operators ?

At some point operator training will begin. And then when they have sufficient operators qualified, they will have to run full blown stress tests for operation. One would hope that they will simulate full rush hour headways with 3-car trains and realistic dwell timings. One really ought to test winter conditions, and under real traffic conditions ie not on a weekend or at night, given there is road traffic signal integration..

Their last window for cold weather testing ends in about six weeks. If they are aiming for October, I hope they have been doing lots of testing over the past 6-8 weeks on the surface portions especially. Otherwise, the first winter could be rough. That, plus the traffic signal tweaking, could lead to the system getting a bad rep if the first few months of service don’t go well.

I may sound extreme, but this is the point in the project where the “what could go wrong” mentality ought to carry a lot of weight. Rushing the in service date while hoping for the best is not wise.

- Paul
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I'm sure that the first dibs for light rail operators would be the current streetcar and bus operators. You can apply at link.

This role is ideal for you if you possess:​

  • Minimum one to two years of face-to-face customer service experience
  • A non-probationary Ontario driver’s licence, Class “G” in good standing. Review our abstract requirements
  • A Grade 12 Ontario Secondary School Diploma (OSSD) or its recognized equivalent. Review our education requirements
  • A demonstrated ability to communicate effectively and courteously with the public
  • Experience with disability accommodation and accessibility requirements
  • The ability to work a flexible schedule that includes various shifts (nights, split shifts, weekends and holidays)
  • Large commercial vehicle driving experience is considered an asset
  • Professional experience working with persons with disabilities is considered an asset
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W. K. Lis said:
Tunnels are finished. I see individual stations approaching a finished state. As they get completed, the workers will be added to the remaining stations. Come spring, we will see a speed up of "finishing" such as glass and tile work.

Have you ever been to sub-divisions or condos, where the workers are still working on the buildings, while other parts get occupied? The last tend to be the landscaping.
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Yes I have. Landscaping will be last for sure but looking at Yonge and Eglinton I don’t see anything close to being finished at that interchange. Same goes for Cedarvale. Yes some individual stations will be done but without the two main subway interchange stations I don’t see how the line can open in 8 months. I hope the work accelerated in the summer but they would still need to test end to end a lot. Let’s see.
 
I'm inclined to agree with lead82. Drove through Y/E last week and it is far, far from finished. The possibility of opening the line without a stop at Y/E was floated around here a while ago, I guess that's a possibility, but I don't see it happening. It would be a logistical nightmare to transfer everyone from another stop.
 
Therion said:
I'm inclined to agree with lead82. Drove through Y/E last week and it is far, far from finished. The possibility of opening the line without a stop at Y/E was floated around here a while ago, I guess that's a possibility, but I don't see it happening. It would be a logistical nightmare to transfer everyone from another stop.
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Don't forget that the Line 1's Eglinton Station (and Eglinton West/Cedarvale Station) is still in operation. So they could open up Line 5's Eglinton Station underground, while still working on the above. They could use the current Line 1 entrances at Eglinton. Trains have already been operating in testing mode on Line 5 through both Cedarvale and Eglinton Stations.

Take a ride on the Eglinton LRT line from Laird Station to the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility!

The final piece of track for the Crosstown was laid in fall of 2021 meaning light rail vehicles are now able to test on the full length of the line between Mt. Dennis and Kennedy. The special wraps are no longer in use as a result. The two pairs of LRV's I caught were LRV 6261 coupled with 6262 & LRV 6249 coupled with 6224.
 
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W. K. Lis said:
I'm sure that the first dibs for light rail operators would be the current streetcar and bus operators. You can apply at link.
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I wonder if the training process could be expedited partially. Since the Flexity Outlooks and Flexity Freedoms are operationally similar I would imagine that streetcar operators would have very little problem adapting to the Crosstown; and maybe even take to it faster since they don't really have to worry about vehicular traffic outside of intersections. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of operators on the Crosstown are former streetcar operators since there skills are interchangeable here.
 
crs1026 said:
^Has any timeline been announced for hiring operators ?

At some point operator training will begin. And then when they have sufficient operators qualified, they will have to run full blown stress tests for operation. One would hope that they will simulate full rush hour headways with 3-car trains and realistic dwell timings. One really ought to test winter conditions, and under real traffic conditions ie not on a weekend or at night, given there is road traffic signal integration..

Their last window for cold weather testing ends in about six weeks. If they are aiming for October, I hope they have been doing lots of testing over the past 6-8 weeks on the surface portions especially. Otherwise, the first winter could be rough. That, plus the traffic signal tweaking, could lead to the system getting a bad rep if the first few months of service don’t go well.

I may sound extreme, but this is the point in the project where the “what could go wrong” mentality ought to carry a lot of weight. Rushing the in service date while hoping for the best is not wise.

- Paul
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They've been training the training staff and supervisors since November.

The TTC has started putting up notices in divisions canvassing for employees looking to change divisions. These would be for the first couple of training classes starting in April or May.

Dan
 
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