Toronto Rogers Centre Renovations | ?m | ?s | Toronto Blue Jays | Populous

For what it's worth, journalists who are the most clued into baseball (guys like Davidi, Blair, Brunt) say the idea of the Jays playing elsewhere for a prolonged period of time is an absolute non starter. Probably not worth really considering that option as a possibility. So they'll be playing at Skydome during construction (unless you could do something like temporarily configure BMO to baseball? Seems unlikely.) If you're interested in discussion on the dome/new stadium, Friday's episode of 'Writer's Bloc' on 590 was quite good. They spoke to the author of the Globe story and to a city planner. The hosts also talked about how sports executives have talked for years about creating some kind of 'sports corridor' going from the Scotiabank Areana, to the Rogers Centre, all the way to BMO connected by parks etc. That might just be referring to Rail Deck Park.
 
For those wishing to see a new stadium built in the Port Lands, for the views that such a location would offer with respect to the skyline, such an option is not viable. Why? MLB stadiums tend to have their fields oriented either in a northerly or northeasterly direction, in order to diminish glare from the sun. Were a stadium to be built here, with the objective of having the City skyline as the backdrop, it would have to be built in a westerly or north westerly direction, which isn't feasible, as that would face into the afternoon and evening sun, making it too difficult for the batters to see, not to mention adversely affecting the comfort of the fans. With that known, the Port Lands should be off the table, as an option. If a stadium was to go in here, it wouldn't have the dramatic views that some are envisioning, rather, the field would face somewhere out over the City, east of the Don River. This would be unremarkable as a backdrop, with virtually nothing of interest being visible, thereby greatly diminishing the atmosphere. Even if a prospective stadium in the Port Lands could face toward downtown, the views of the skyline from east of the Financial District, aren't the most flattering vantage points of the City. From downtown, the most dramatic and aesthetically pleasing direction from which to view the skyline is looking northeast from the Islands/lake; which brings to me to my next point.

Unfortunately, this is more of a 'pie in the sky' fantasy, but the most ideal location for a new stadium for the Blue Jays would be on the site of Billy Bishop Airport, facing northeast, either where the airport structures are located, or southeast of that, toward (not on) the edge of the runway that juts out into the inner harbour. This would more or less offer the same kind of views that were historically used in many Toronto postcards, prior to CityPlace, when the CN Tower, SkyDome, Financial District could be viewed from this sort of vantage, mostly uninterrupted. Below are some examples of what I mean:

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Abutting the portion of the runway, in the foreground, is where I would love to see a new stadium built. This, more or less, offers a slightly elevated view of what the stadium would have looked onto circa the 1990s.
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The further to the right of this area of Centre Island (as close as possible to the inner harbour), the more unobstructed the views would be toward the CN Tower and the CBD (Central Business District). CityPlace's lacklustre skyline would most only be seen in one's peripheral vision (unless would was sitting on the right of home plate). Views of the Mirvish/Gehry towers would also supplement what would be one of the greatest backdrops for a stadium in Major League Baseball. Obviously, even if the prospect of building a stadium on the Islands was viable, getting to and from the mainland, and the stadium, would require more than a single bridge to accommodate that many people.
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Potential ground level views. These photos were taken closer to the channel, however. The location I have in mind would be further south:
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Though, evening glare from the South Core towers might pose an issue.
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Imagine the views of the lake that one could have from the concourse of a hypothetical stadium, at this location. One could also get incredible views inside of the stadium from the CN Tower's main observation deck (where this photo was taken from). The runway portion that juts out into the lake could be removed, thereby expanding the harbour, or that land could be turned into a massive pier or some other park use, tying in with other revitalization plans for the vast amount of open green space at this end of the island.
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I'm just curious: What alternative sites could Billy Bishop relocate to? Demolishing the current airport wouldn't be too expensive, given its small scale. Have there ever been serious talks about moving it elsewhere? Its such a waste of prime land. The only building project that I would support here would be a new MLB stadium (perhaps with a few restaurants), with additional tree planting, and a revitalization of the surrounding park land to accommodate fans, before and after games, as well as other visitors to the Islands.

Lastly, I echo the sentiments of those who wish to see the SkyDome preserved and repurposed (what for, I don't know). It is an integral piece of our central skyline, and an engineering marvel of its time. With respect to whatever ends up getting built ― wherever that may be ― an international design competition, bringing together the world's foremost architects, should be considered.

Excellent point about the Port Lands. I hadn't taken into consideration the field orientation.

I'm also with you on Billy Bishop, however unlikely it would be. Besides the spectacular view, it also already has a baseball history, being home to Hanlan's Point Stadium, and where Babe Ruth hit his first major league home run.



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When was the Astrodome demolished? I read it was still standing in a fairly recent article.

Turns out that only parts of it were demolished that were getting unstable. They used explosives. That’s not an option in the middle of downtown Toronto. A SkyDome demolition would be very long and laborious. And very loud.
 
There has not been a concert of any significance at the Rogers Centre in years. Once Scotiabank Arena opened they all went there and into the smaller venues like the Danforth Music Hall, Massey Hall and even BMO Field.

Rogers Centre is actually a horrible venue for concerts because of the stadiums geometry.

Stadium Concerts are going the way of the dodo. Scotiabank can handle it without issue.

There was a massive Shawn Mendes concert there last summer.
 
Wow, those views from the island would be something else as a baseball park backdrop. Could be the most amazing outfield view in MLB.
 
Isn't the contract for Billy Bishop supposed to run out soon and the city is supposed to reclaim that land? I remember reading something about that. I like the idea of a new stadium there and a new park and entertainment district. They should just hold out at Skydome until then.
 
Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift (back to back nights), Zac Brown Band, The Foo Fighters, Coldplay, Metallica and U2 have all played there since 2017.


BMO Field has held precisely one concert - Genesis - since it was built. And that was the year it opened in 2007.
 
Astrodome would've been demolished by explosive in the middle of a suburban car park.

All the CityPlace glass towers, tightly packed around the dome would instantly shatter. This is the reason given by Rogers that it would cost too much to demolish which is why they've been renovating it instead.

A SkyDome demolition would have to happen by hydraulic demolition hammers which could only run during the day and would take years. Nobody would accept that, even in daytime. It'd be a political nightmare. SkyDome is protected by CityPlace. This concrete bunker will be with us for decades.

If the Jays want to play somewhere else, the SkyDome can be converted into a convention centre which, coincidentally we're going to need as the MTCC is destined to be replaced. Replace the seating rings with convention rooms and amphitheatres and amenities like restaurants and hotel rooms, while the field with the seats removed could remain largely untouched as a showroom floor. Whether there'd be a need for movable roof is up to thinking of creative summer uses or it can be replaced with a fixed glass skylight.

The astrodome wasn't demolished at all- they just blew-up the exterior ramps. The stadium is right next to a newer one so a major implosion would be very tricky. They may have to dismantle much of it as they did with Yankee Stadium- the latter itself sat very close to some residential buildings. Again the demo was reportedly $20-22M. I'm not suggesting at all that the Rogers Centre is going to be an easy demolition btw and I personally do see value in extending its life another 10-15yrs if the organization fits the bill. That all said I do believe they are very intent on going ahead with something big, which is one of the reasons why they brought in Shapiro. This is not out of the blue and has been in the planning for years.
 
I can see the Rogers Centre being replaced with additional convention space. After all, the annual Auto Show used the stadium as additional convention space.

It would be excellent, not only for the Auto Show, but for other major annual conventions like Fan Expo Canada and the post-secondary school conventions as well.
 
I really don't see how the island site would logistically work. All the attendees, teams, stadium staff, concession deliveries, etc. moving to and from in relatively short bursts, all through the tunnel. Emergency services (the airport has a fire service that I assume meets TC standards). Is the owner/city willing to continue to fund that to a level to match the number of persons potentially on-site, to meet municipal and insurance safety standards?

What about the Exhibition grounds (haven't been there for years). I really think it's days are numbered.
 
Turns out that only parts of it were demolished that were getting unstable. They used explosives. That’s not an option in the middle of downtown Toronto. A SkyDome demolition would be very long and laborious. And very loud.
Interesting to hear. It's gonna be quite a feat for Rogers to tear this one down and I look forward to seeing just how complex it will be.
 
I would like to give props to the City of Toronto in all this, who allowed all those horrific CityPlace condos to be built right around the Rogers Centre which is now making replacing the venue infinitely times more difficult than it needed to be, had City Planning actually had the capability to properly plan back in the day:

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All the CityPlace glass towers, tightly packed around the dome would instantly shatter. This is the reason given by Rogers that it would cost too much to demolish which is why they've been renovating it instead.

I wonder if they could do a controlled demolition if a shelter was built around it while doing so. Use enough C4 to put a crater where the stadium is.
 
I like the idea of building a replacement where Billy Bishop is. The downtown airport is a blight, and not really needed with decent rail access to Pearson.

Also like the idea of using the Rogers Centre site as a convention centre. Not incompatible with office or condo towers, either, they could be built above.
 

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