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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Streety McCarface said:
I'm not sure we should want Montreal metro-like speeds for opening the doors, but at the same time, I cannot disagree with you. What is interesting though is that the TRs used to be a lot worse. I'm not sure why bombardier's door times seem to be slightly longer than other city's (with the exception of New York, where the guard has to close the doors in parts on most lines).

I'm curious as to the actual time between opening doors and closing them, and wonder how it's affecting service. Theoretically, it isn't as bad as it was because lines 1 & 4 are all TRs while Line 2 is all T1s, so it's likely that the difference in dwell times aren't affecting services on the subway, but I can guarantee it's a bigger issue for the streetcars (especially since they take even longer to open and close).

I'm not entirely sure what's causing it, but my best assumption would be differences in the train's software, and the increased level of safety implemented. If it really is a huge issue and it is software related, I'm sure the engineers at bombardier can fix the issue if enough people complain.
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I agree, but the streetcar doors are absurdly long to open and close. Couple that with people running up right before the streetcar is to leave and pressing the door button to get on, and you have a huge issue.

Looking at the way the new streetcar doors open and close im worried not much can be done, they have this awkward hinge way of opening that looks like speeding it up would cause issues.

The only thing that could be solved is the warning delay before they open and close. Just remove that. But I guess its there for a reason..

They need to disable that door open button however after the door has already opened once. Or just open the doors at every stop through the driver and disable the door button entirely.
 
^Doors may be slow, but if you get a dozen people trying to get on at one door, you get a) people trying to get off who have to push through the waiting boarders, and then b) seven or eight who board but don’t move inwards, and then c) a bunch who want to board but can’t until the first bunch move further in and make space. Only then can the doors close (slowly).
Spread the people down the platform, and this is minimised.

- Paul
 
robmausser said:
Honestly the largest contributor to dwell times I have seen on the new streetcars is by far how ungodly slow the doors are to open and close. Its unreal. What an engineering fail.

This seems to be a systemwide issue. The subway doors take forever to open/close on the new TR rockets, the new fare gates take forever to open and close. Something about modern systems/actuators that are making doors a nightmare in modern systems.
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Blame the TTC, that's how they sped'c the doors to open/close. If you think the Flexitys are bad, just look and how long it takes the TTCs NovaBus fleet to open and close rear doors. Half the doors on the fleet are becoming flimsy partly based on the amount of force people use to open a door they think isn't opening for them due to the time delay on the doors.

As for the Crosstown fleet, the door specs would be up to Metrolinx (the TTC has no say) which may, or may not be a good think depending on how fast/slow the doors will close.
 
Amare said:
Blame the TTC, that's how they sped'c the doors to open/close. If you think the Flexitys are bad, just look and how long it takes the TTCs NovaBus fleet to open and close rear doors. Half the doors on the fleet are becoming flimsy partly based on the amount of force people use to open a door they think isn't opening for them due to the time delay on the doors.

As for the Crosstown fleet, the door specs would be up to Metrolinx (the TTC has no say) which may, or may not be a good think depending on how fast/slow the doors will close.
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Should operate the same as the flexity outlooks
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1131236624912801800

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Metrolinx blog entry on the vehicles, delivery process (plenty of transport/unloading shots), and a tiny bit on the project state.

blog.metrolinx.com

Metrolinx Press Room

Find the latest Metrolinx news, project updates and more.
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Allandale25 said:
Interior shot.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1131230758109097984
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Surprised to see the "stop request" function included. I remembered early documents said that the LRV's would stop at every stop. I assumed it was because the LRV's would be too fast and heavy to stop safely if they were included. Nonetheless, quite happy it is included and will hopefully make-up for the close spacing between the the stops on the on-street segment.
 
ViveleCanada said:
Surprised to see the "stop request" function included.
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I'm always surprised to see buttons on the outside of GO Train cars too.

Are they any good photos of the rear of these things? They are supposed to only have one cab, but all the photos I see, always seem to have the cab end, with windscreen wipers, etc.
 
And the official news release.

Ontario Unveils Light Rail Vehicles for Eglinton Crosstown LRT
May 22, 2019
Taking the Next Step to Get Ontarians Moving and Deliver on Our Transit Plan
ETOBICOKE - Kinga Surma, Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transportation unveiled six new light rail vehicles that will be used on the future Eglinton Crosstown LRT line.
To better serve the community, Premier Ford committed to extending the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project farther west into Etobicoke, and to connect one of the largest employment centres in the region. A majority of the extension will be underground to help keep people and goods moving on one of the area's busiest roadways.
"The progress we are making on the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project is great news for people who have been waiting a long time for easier access to Toronto's subways," said PA Surma. "These light rail vehicles represent the first step towards the next generation of public transit in our region and will connect more people throughout Toronto with new jobs and opportunities."
PA Surma was joined by Robin Martin, MPP, Eglinton-Lawrence, Phil Verster, Metrolinx President and CEO, Rick Leary, CEO of the TTC, and Bill Henry, President and Project Director for Crosslinx Transit Solutions, to celebrate the exciting milestone of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project.
The public will have the opportunity to tour the Eglinton Crosstown LRT Maintenance and Storage Facility and see the new light rail vehicles on Saturday, May 25, 2019, as part of Doors Open Toronto.
Scheduled to go into service in 2021, the vehicles being tested today will make life easier for people by helping them travel up to 60 per cent faster than similar trips by bus today. Commuters will also have integrated connections to 54 bus routes, three subways stations, three GO Train lines and the UP Express.

QUICK FACTS
• The Eglinton Crosstown LRT is a 19-kilometre, 25-stop rapid transit line running along Eglinton Avenue between Mount Dennis and Kennedy Subway Station.
• The Eglington Crosstown light rail vehicles will carry 5,500 people per hour in both directions along Eglinton Avenue during peak periods, up to 60 per cent faster than a similar trip takes by bus today.


QUOTES
"Our customers are going to have a phenomenal experience,” said Phil Verster, Metrolinx President and CEO. “This is a very exciting milestone for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT project and for Metrolinx. Our commercial and project management with Bombardier is delivering what we expected."
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" Delivering the Crosstown is more than just about the construction on and under Eglinton Avenue. That’s why receiving the first vehicles is such a significant milestone in moving the project forward,” said Bill Henry, Crosslinx Transit Solution’s President and Project Director. “It means we are now integrating them with the systems that will run the Crosstown, followed by testing and commissioning. And, we are doing this important work in close collaboration with Metrolinx, Bombardier and TTC."
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Allandale25 said:
Aren't those door open buttons as oppose to stop request buttons?
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I'd assume so ... I doubt they'd have stop request buttons on the outside of the car!

Though on the inside of the Flexity doors, they have the same function. You press the button on the door, and the next stop light goes on.
 
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