TTC: Streetcar Network

[W. K. Lis]

The current schedule (which will surely slip) to have enough streetcars to stop bus substitutions is 2026. I thought the new tracks was planned before then.

We're at number 4573 out of a fleet numbering to 4603, which started at 4400. All CLRV's and ALRV's should be replaced by the end of 2019. The TTC would like to order an additional 100 (up from 60) for delivery by 2026. See link.

 

[nfitz]

We're at number 4573 out of a fleet numbering to 4603, which started at 4400. All CLRV's and ALRV's should be replaced by the end of 2019. The TTC would like to order an additional 100 (up from 60) for delivery by 2026. See link.

All CLRVs and ALRVs will be gone soon. But there's not enough new streetcars coming to cover all the routes. Probably need about 30 to 40 more for existing routes. The new budget said that bus substitutions will continue until 2026.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

We're at number 4573 out of a fleet numbering to 4603, which started at 4400. All CLRV's and ALRV's should be replaced by the end of 2019. The TTC would like to order an additional 100 (up from 60) for delivery by 2026. See link.

Well, we have up to 4529 for Thunder Bay deliveries and 4572 and 4573 for Kingston deliveries.

 

[W. K. Lis]

From link.

At Yorkdale Mall, they want to build over the parking lots (putting them underground), replacing them with retail, hotel, offices, and residential. At Coxwell Station, they have two parking lots and old buildings, which I think they could redevelop with high rises in exchange put in a streetcar loop on the first level (think McCaul loop).

From link.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Most of the new buildings going up in the downtown have a parking garage underground. Yet, the subway stations with buses and streetcars looping and terminating in them, are single story (just the station entrance). High rise developments around the station do not seem to include the station. Stations could be enlarged if the developments included them building above the stations.

Coxwell Station could be enlarged to include a COXWELL streetcar transfer. Keele Station could be enlarged to include a 506 CARLTON streetcar transfer (and 189 STOCKYARDS bus, see link), with high rise office/residential buildings above them.

 

[W. K. Lis]

At one time, streetcar companies would do their best to keep service running during construction or emergencies. During fires for example, they employed "track jumpers" to get over fire hoses that went over the the streetcar tracks.

From link.

Today, instead they make things inconvenient as possible for riders. Bring in shuttle buses, is usually the first thing they think of, even if it will add an hour to get any kind of service. Keeping streetcar running is the very last priority theses days.

 

[Rainforest]

At one time, streetcar companies would do their best to keep service running during construction or emergencies. During fires for example, they employed "track jumpers" to get over fire hoses that went over the the streetcar tracks.

From link.

Today, instead they make things inconvenient as possible for riders. Bring in shuttle buses, is usually the first thing they think of, even if it will add an hour to get any kind of service. Keeping streetcar running is the very last priority theses days.

Track jumpers look really cool. But these days, the concerns of liability (should anything go wrong) take priority over everything else. Every public (= sue-able) agency will sit on its hands doing nothing, rather than take actions that are perfectly sensible but might add liabilities.

 

[DSC]

Track jumpers look really cool. But these days, the concerns of liability (should anything go wrong) take priority over everything else. Every public (= sue-able) agency will sit on its hands doing nothing, rather than take actions that are perfectly sensible but might add liabilities.

They use temporary 'surface mounted' track in many places to allow streetcars to avoid road works etc. I have seen it, often, in Amsterdam and Dublin. Clearly speed needs to be reduced but I suspect the reason we don't see it here is not liability. Simply easier to do nothing and bring out buses!

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

At one time, streetcar companies would do their best to keep service running during construction or emergencies. During fires for example, they employed "track jumpers" to get over fire hoses that went over the the streetcar tracks.

From link.

Today, instead they make things inconvenient as possible for riders. Bring in shuttle buses, is usually the first thing they think of, even if it will add an hour to get any kind of service. Keeping streetcar running is the very last priority theses days.

A good example of somewhere in the streetcar network that frequently sees buses is the 512 and 501L, because they don't have diversion trackage.

 

[lenaitch]

At one time, streetcar companies would do their best to keep service running during construction or emergencies. During fires for example, they employed "track jumpers" to get over fire hoses that went over the the streetcar tracks.

From link.

Today, instead they make things inconvenient as possible for riders. Bring in shuttle buses, is usually the first thing they think of, even if it will add an hour to get any kind of service. Keeping streetcar running is the very last priority theses days.

Maybe they don't understand the concept.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Maybe they don't understand the concept.

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Why didn't they think of that "revolutionary" concept earlier ?

 

[W. K. Lis]

Maybe they don't understand the concept.

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[thettctransitfanatic]

Wow. Looks cool. Too bad we will never see TTC give up the shuttle bus practice

 

[smallspy]

They use temporary 'surface mounted' track in many places to allow streetcars to avoid road works etc. I have seen it, often, in Amsterdam and Dublin. Clearly speed needs to be reduced but I suspect the reason we don't see it here is not liability. Simply easier to do nothing and bring out buses!

No, the reason why they don't do it anymore is because they found that continuing to run streetcars alongside the roadwork resulted in more problems in the long run. For instance, the poured concrete only lasted about half as long as it normally would have.

For the record, the TTC did own a couple of pairs of temporary crossovers, and they were last used around 1996 or 1997.

Dan

 

[W. K. Lis]

Because Toronto continues to use single-ended streetcars and loops, it can't use crossover tracks (permanent or temporary) to short turn at construction sights.

The TTC should look into the 60-100 optional streetcars being double-ended.