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I am not sure whether we are "hostile to extravagance" as we are blind to its joys and benefits. Either way, its a shame but I think its changing (first, with the new City Hall and right up to OCAD and the ROM). Again though, this is a false choice and debate. We want and deserve 'beauty' (and the Waterfront is in dire need of such, which is why all involved, including the government, is giving the area, and the concept of good design, such priority, in theory).
 
CanadianNational, I agree completely, and in further response to US i'd suggest that a fundamental part of the vision for waterfront redevelopment, indeed one of the motivating factors for waterfront development to begin with, is an attempt to mitigate and further avoid the very errors of Harbourfront-type development before it's too late and the public's vision for the the waterfront is irrevocably squandered through political and corporate self-interest.

Take heart though CN, this hate-on for anything other than pure stringent minimalism is a little "de rigueur' right now, and will likely pass. Hopefully the entire central waterfront will not have been built up with one boxy minimalist slab after another before it does.
 
That's a nice dodge.
The answer to your last question is: it can't. Because sometimes an uninspiringly ordinary building is just simply an uninspiringly ordinary building.

It's all very well and good that thirty years after a governmental grand gesture helped kick-start development, Harbourfront is becoming unevenly attractive and inhabitable. Pace has been slow, though - and the quality of architecture and planning, quite uneven. Sections of what has been built is even solidly disliked. It has taken another round of cosmetic surgery at the central harbourfront to bring it in line with what is just beginning to be largely planned, but built piecemeal.

Seeing us lag behind Europe's initiatives by ten to fifteen years, saddled with a generous helping of dull monolithic towers, frustrated by the slow pace of progress and suspicious of the motives-that-be behind financial deals regarding these areas of land, tired of political infighting, the people of Toronto want some high civic expectations met. What's wanted are some reassurances offered that here of all places, the city will rise to the occasion and provide something that's big on the delight, and not just offering commodity and firmness. Some buildings can sum up a city's sense of identity - others can advance it, and even improve it.
It's rare that any single building could sate everybody, though some can do it more significantly and thrillingly than others.

Although not a close building - I'm thinking more along the lines of Millenium Park in Chicago where form meets function meets happiness in a pragmatic, engaging and very showy way. A most attractive way, as well.
The nature of function in buildings has been debated fiercely as a tenent since the theoretical solidification of academic modernism. It would eat up more posts than boredom is capable of caring about to debate it here: I'll say though, personally, my functionality includes pleasure and the regard for the civic realm. To press more on this point would be to argue about personal taste, which more than just about anything else in a forum is the height of irritatingly vainglorious nerd-ery to argue about.

What I'd rather see argued about on here is a generalized cultural bias that is hostile to extravagance. The lingering spectre of protestant dourness that has informed the foundation of our city from the grey shale up. Also, how same protestant basis fuels an easy alliance with the puritanism of functionalist modernism. Our unease with spectacle (however full), and luxe, frivolity, nonsense and play. Oh - and unorthodox notions of beauty to boot.

Well said, great post.
 
I'm suprised that an old fart like US didn't cite Toronto's many hollow spectacles.... most of which appeared decades ago.

Our hollow spectacles before ROM/AGO etc. had a degree of functionality but functionality was also often compromised... by the city's aspirations to do something special...

1. City Hall.
Functionality: C-
Hollow Spectacle Quotient: A+ (this was the ultimately identity project afterall)

2. CN Tower.
Functionality: B (ghosting on broadcasts was a big issue)
Hollow Spectacle Quotient: A+ (for 30 years)

3. Eaton Centre
Functionality: A (destruction of Yonge Street prevents A+)
Hollow Spectacle Quotient: A+ (for 30 years and counting)

4. Ontario Place
Functionality: B (location was/is an issue, as are "improvements" over the years... still important as the Bucky Fuller home of IMAX, since sold)
Hollow Spectacle Quotient: B- (suprisingly cool 3 decades later)

5. SkyDome
Functionality: B (weather really is an issue)
Hollow Spectacle Quotient: B (it's aging and it's original A+ has to be downgraded due to taxpayer burden and aging issues)

6. BMO
Functionality B+
(BMO was an A+ when built 'cause it was filled by O&Y with tenants... true functionality$$.... and it was built during the Crombie "shorter than me" height restrictions imposed on the city... it remains the tallest office tower in the country 35 years later... the downgrade is largely due to 300 pound rotting marble slabs landing on the street)

Hollow Spectacle Quotient: C (formerly an A+ but now it's an embarrassment)



So what do these very old semi-hollow "spectacles" have in common? Well... they are old... and at the time of their construction ... there was an identifiable lack of "sophistication" that existed in the city planning department... a timely ignorance of the need to look everywhere else but Toronto or their own imaginations for clues on how to do stuff right (like we are doing now)... and probably an individual visionary/engine who didn't get much credit for pushing their hollow spectacle forward despite the barriers.

Sure some of them could be characterized as wasteful (SkyDome?) but some of them probably helped the city's bottom line quite a bit.

Hmmm. It's going to be tough to pull off any kind of hollow spectacle now that we are oh so, so smart. Too bad. There's a place for hollow spectacles... they can actually help pay to fill the potholes.
 
Hmmm, I wonder what the chances are that much of the controversy and criticism about this Corus project is the result of a disorganized and scatter-brained Design Review Panel and its administration by Waterfront Toronto? Let's see what Christopher Hume has to say (emphasis added):

Latest waterfront fiasco: Umbrellas and sand pit

TheStar.com - Columnist - Latest waterfront fiasco: Umbrellas and sand pit

February 08, 2008
Christopher Hume

Life may be a beach, but that doesn't mean the waterfront should be, too.

So when the Toronto Waterfront Revitalization Corp. announced last week that a proposal by Montreal landscape architect Claude Cormier called Sugar Beach had won a design competition for the foot of Jarvis St., it was clear something is rotten down on the shores of Lake Ontario.

Cormier is one of the most brilliant practitioners in the world today, but this doesn't rank among his better projects. For a start, a beach is all wrong for a site just metres from a noisy, polluting, stinky sugar refinery. For another, Cormier's scheme rips off his earlier design for the HtO urban beach that opened on the waterfront last year.

But, the TWRC brain trust would argue, the decision was made by an expert jury assembled for the purpose. Therein lies the problem; the four-member panel was made up largely of insiders. The chair, for example, Toronto architect Siamak Hariri, belongs to the waterfront design review board as does another jury member, local architect Peter Clewes. Hariri and Cormier worked together on HtO, along with a second competitor, Toronto landscape architect Janet Rosenberg, also a member of the board.

This is too close for comfort. As much as one might admire Hariri's buildings, he has never shown any special understanding of the landscape. In the jury's comments, which propose no less than 14 changes to Cormier's plan, Hariri and the jury suggest that the "idea of the beach be explored elsewhere throughout the waterfront, including possibly, Parliament Slip."

Thanks, but no thanks. The jury's job was to choose the best of the three entries, not impose its amateurish vision of the waterfront. A beach at the foot of Parliament St. sounds as inappropriate as a beach at the bottom of Jarvis.

To be blunt, Cormier's entry was the weakest of the three; if the jury had done its job with more intelligence, integrity and a sense of responsibility, it would have chosen differently. Instead, it acted as a group of insiders whose personal opinions count more than objective reality. Neither the city nor its waterfront were well served by their decision, which was precious and patronizing.

In the meantime, because of the jury's incompetence, Toronto has lost the chance to get a piece by Ned Kahn. If you haven't heard his name, you soon will. He's the California-based environmental artist who works with natural phenomena such as wind, fog, light and water. A recipient of a MacArthur "Genius Grant" and an American National Design Award, he has received commissions across the U.S., Europe and the Middle East.

His work, which was part of the Rosenberg submission, would have been a huge addition to the waterfront. Instead we settled for coloured umbrellas in an oversized sand pit.

Clearly, the waterfront corporation desperately needs an infusion of fresh blood. If this jury and its decision are any indication, the process is no longer adequate to the task. We need to go outside the local community to find people who are smart, fair and informed, who have no axes to grind or favourites to champion.

There's a big world out there and we can do better, much better, if we can bring it to Toronto.

It may be too late for the Jarvis St. Slip, which has become a fiasco, but the waterfront can absorb a certain amount of mediocrity before it hits the point of no return. Let's hope we learn from the mistakes of Jarvis and manage not to repeat them.

Christopher Hume
 
Interestingly, Renee Daoust - a member of the design review panel - has produced designs for the proposed George Brown building, also nearbye.
 
Fair Comment: So far, we've seen four versions of Corus.

* The first, which jayomatic photographed at the meeting last March, shows a building with large open balconies on the setback upper floors, and a smallish central atrium for the lower levels.

* Then, after the design review panel swung into action, we lost the open balconies, and the two side wings became more dominant squarish blocks with a larger central atrium set back from the promenade.

* Then, under the auspices of the panel, the atrium was brought forward flush with the office blocks that flanked it, and the setback upper levels reappeared, slightly angled and without open balconies. We got the eggy thing, and the wormy walkways suspended in the atrium.

* Then, as the design review process continued, we got an atrium that was set back again and no longer flush with the promenade. And, horrors, the eggy thing ( "The egg captured people's imaginations. It was really magic." - Kuwabara ) was, apparently, a gonner!

Stay tuned ...
 
The entire building should have been one giant egg. Or 2 giant eggs connected by a series of twisting and turning walkways between the 2.
 
Hmmm, first award of many???


CORUS ENTERTAINMENT CL B

TEDCO's Corus Building Receives First Nomination for Excellence
2/22/2008

TORONTO, Feb. 22, 2008 (Canada NewsWire via COMTEX News Network) --
The Toronto Economic Development Corporation (TEDCO) and its partners have been nominated as one of three finalists for the Office Lease of the Year award for the Corus Entertainment building. The building is currently under construction on the East Bayfront portion of Toronto's waterfront. The NAIOP Real Estate Excellence Award (REX Award) represents one of the more prestigious standards of achievement within the office and industrial real estate industry in Greater Toronto.

"Our lease with Corus Entertainment has resulted in a new office and broadcast centre for our City," said Jeffrey Steiner, TEDCO President and CEO. "It also reflects the first private sector investment in Toronto's East Bayfront section of the waterfront."

The Toronto Economic Development Corporation is pleased to be nominated and congratulates all other award nominees. Its team consists of TEDCO, Corus Entertainment Inc., DTZ Barnicke, Robins Appleby & Taub and RBC Capital Markets.

"DTZ Barnicke is honoured to be a finalist for our part in coordinating this exciting new development on the waterfront," said James Higgs, Vice President Office Leasing at DTZ Barnicke. "This was a complex lease agreement that achieved objectives for both TEDCO as landlord and Corus Entertainment as a long-term tenant."

DTZ Barnicke provides a comprehensive range of brokerage services and value-added business advice in commercial real estate to leading international corporations, institutions and portfolio owners across Canada.

NAIOP is the National Association of Office and Industrial Properties representing the commercial real estate industry. The REX Awards will be presented at a gala dinner on Monday, February 25th in Toronto where winners in each category will be announced.

TEDCO owns more than 500 acres of land and is the City of Toronto's economic development corporation focused on commercial, industrial and mixed-use projects. Incorporated in 1986, TEDCO is self-financing and operates as an arm's-length entity from the City. TEDCO's operations involve real estate development, economic development, and property and environmental management working with a range of public and private sector partners. TEDCO is a private-public hybrid, governed by a ten-member Board comprised of both private and public sector Directors.
 
Office Lease of the Year...at our expense, both as taxpayers and those who care about aesthetics.
 
So Corus is given a sweetheart deal, at taxpayer expense, to move from one location in Toronto to another -- and TEDCO gets awarded for this? :mad: Presumably for "Best scheme to funnel money from Toronto taxpayers to private businesses".
 

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