Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

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Ground breaking for the surface section of Crosstown?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

IIRC, these Alstom LRVs are longer, meaning there's less dead space between trams, meaning the capacity of Eglinton Line might increase slightly.

 

[Steve X]

IIRC, these Alstom LRVs are longer, meaning there's less dead space between trams, meaning the capacity of Eglinton Line might increase slightly.

With less vehicles, headways would widen thus capacity is reduced that way.

 

[CapitalSeven]

With less vehicles, headways would widen thus capacity is reduced that way.

???

Frequency might be less. But on the other hand they might run one 160 foot tram more often than a train of two 100 foot trams. Saying that fewer larger trams means lower capacity in the absence of any real numbers makes little sense.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

With less vehicles, headways would widen thus capacity is reduced that way.

I'm talking about maximum capacity. The maximum capacity of the line should increase slightly with the Alstom trams.

In other words, if BBD trams and Alstom trams were each running at 90 second headway, the Alstom trams would be able to move slightly more people.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Here is a rough comparison of the two trains

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Any downsides to the Alstom trams vs BBDs?

I find myself hoping that Bombarider is unable to deliver the trams for Eglinton Line, as so far as I've been able to see, the Alstom Citidas Spirt offers a better rider experience.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I'm talking about maximum capacity. The maximum capacity of the line should increase slightly with the Alstom trams.

In other words, if BBD trams and Alstom trams were each running at 90 second headway, the Alstom trams would be able to move slightly more people.

None of this is likely to matter, since BBD most likely ordered the 30 metre model of the Citidas Spirit, which is the same length as the Flexity Freedom. However I'm hoping they ordered the 48 metre model, as that would be ideal for the Crosstown LRT

 

[UD2]

Any downsides to the Alstom trams vs BBDs?

I find myself hoping that Bombarider is unable to deliver the trams for Eglinton Line, as so far as I've been able to see, the Alstom Citidas Spirt offers a better rider experience.

What have you been able to see exactly? I see a corrupt government agency ordering trains from a foreign company. Where does the increased comfort come from?

 

[UD2]

I'm talking about maximum capacity. The maximum capacity of the line should increase slightly with the Alstom trams.

In other words, if BBD trams and Alstom trams were each running at 90 second headway, the Alstom trams would be able to move slightly more people.

The max capacity would decrease with Alstom trains.

1. Underground portion of Eglinton should be able to fit a 2 set articulated BBD tram. Total 200 meters. But it won't fit a 2 set Alstom tram. So 40 meters lost.
2. The trains may be too long to fit into far side intersection stops on the surface section of Ellington and finch.

 

[Steve X]

The max capacity would decrease with Alstom trains.

1. Underground portion of Eglinton should be able to fit a 2 set articulated BBD tram. Total 200 meters. But it won't fit a 2 set Alstom tram. So 40 meters lost.
2. The trains may be too long to fit into far side intersection stops on the surface section of Ellington and finch.

What? No. That's just wrong. Don't cook up your own false assumption. It was planned to be 3 car lengths from the start. Underground stations are ~100m long and so are the platforms. They can fit either 3-car 30m LRVs or 2-car 48m LRVs.

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/pd...ownSlidesCombinedPresentationFINAL.pdf#page=9
http://thecrosstown.ca/sites/defaul...en_house_april_5_17_final_website.pdf#page=42

Finch is however only planned for 2-car LRVs. 96m trains are too long for Finch's planned platform length but they haven't started construction while detail engineering designs are only 10% completed. So they could change that.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

Rendering with Mx livery:

 

[Allandale25]

Metrolinx statement here.

 

[muller877]

How do you figure that? Metrolinx is padding the cupboard.

Metrolinx now has 180 + 60 LRT's on order. 240 in total. They will have to pay Alstrom a commitment fee for the order so they've locked in (unless they want to pay cash for nothing...which does not surprise me with the Fiberal's)

ELRT will have 60
KW = 14
Hurontario = 44 (however they have already asked for a quote for other trains)
Finch (if it is ever built) = 23
rest of the lines = beyond the timeframe of this order or even 5 years after

Total = 141

So where are the other 99 cars going? Padding the pockets of corporations with break fees from this boondoggle from Wynne. Would love to see how much "lobbying" Alstrom does with the Liberals

It's like the Liberals went out and bought a new car whey they turned 16. And then failed the driving test. Again and again.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

From Alstom statement:

Alstom will supply Metrolinx a 48-metre Citadis Spirit, which has a passenger capacity of 321.