Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I wonder if radiant heaters like that are roof mounted to prevent fires from water/salt/paper/clothing nearer floor level?

Or bodily hazard/tampering.

AoD

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

They use in condo garage and doorway entrances.

 

[Steve X]

Its a very expensive addition to the project. If you look at the system being used on the GO platforms they are using glycol system which requires a full mechanical system, boiler, pump, etc. to operate. They are using this system because they probably have a building where they can house this equipment and they have a lot of area to heat, If you were to do this for the Crosstown you would probably go with electric heating cables in the concrete - which require high voltage 3 phase power.

So increased costs associated with the installation and then maintenance and energy costs moving forward. Not saying they shouldn't do it - but these add up and should be part of the discussion. (they also breakdown regularly and repairs are not easy/cheap)

The building would also have to sit far away from the intersection on the side of the roadway to avoid obscuring traffic. This would add at least 50-100 metre on pipping and the purchase of a parcel of prime land. Alternatively they can build a roof and put the equipment on top or in an underground room (pumping equipment required plus time to excavate).

 

[coopEng]

Except that heat rises and cold sinks. Inefficient use of energy. The heat source should be below so that the heat will rise.

Which is why floor or pavement heating is better.

In ground heating is not used for comfort (well maybe those heated tile floors for washrooms) - it is used to melt snow and ice. If they add heaters similar to those others have posted they can be controlled by switches and timers which should reduce energy costs. Changes are needed for these stops (can't really call them stations) and something as simple as comfort upgrades are a low hanging fruit (although people may start wanting them around the City)

 

[robmausser]

In ground heating is not used for comfort (well maybe those heated tile floors for washrooms) - it is used to melt snow and ice. If they add heaters similar to those others have posted they can be controlled by switches and timers which should reduce energy costs. Changes are needed for these stops (can't really call them stations) and something as simple as comfort upgrades are a low hanging fruit (although people may start wanting them around the City)

Also the heaters posted are radiant heaters do not care about whether air convection rises and cold air falls, they use infrared radiation and just need line of sight to the person they intend to heat.

 

[yrt+viva=1system]

Took these yesterday and wanted to point out that even though this looks like a very simple and unsophisticated setup, it's probably going to be far better than anything that will be built on the Crosstown line. In my opinion, these are even better than the Viva stops when it comes to warmth in the middle of winter.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Took these yesterday and wanted to point out that even though this looks like a very simple and unsophisticated setup, it's probably going to be far better than anything that will be built on the Crosstown line. In my opinion, these are even better than the Viva stops when it comes to warmth in the middle of winter.

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Promenade Terminal?

 

[robmausser]

Took these yesterday and wanted to point out that even though this looks like a very simple and unsophisticated setup, it's probably going to be far better than anything that will be built on the Crosstown line. In my opinion, these are even better than the Viva stops when it comes to warmth in the middle of winter.

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I would give this a week until it became a homeless person orgy house if it were built in downtown toronto.

Unfortunately thats just the reality of the situation.

 

[adrianaliu]

I would give this a week until it became a homeless person orgy house if it were built in downtown toronto.

Unfortunately thats just the reality of the situation.

wow does the crosstown pass through downtown what really when did they change the plans. id rather be standing in a homeless person orgy house than in the cold weather tho

 

[steveintoronto]

Metrolinx strikes light-rail deal with Alstom, bypassing Bombardier
Oliver Moore - URBAN TRANSPORTATION REPORTER


The Globe and Mail

Published Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:16PM EDT

Last updated Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:48PM EDT

Metrolinx has struck a deal with another manufacturer to provide dozens of vehicles for key Toronto-area transit projects, The Globe and Mail has learned, a sign of how much confidence the agency has lost in problem-plagued Bombardier.

The agreement would see Alstom, which is currently building light rail vehicles for the Ottawa market, produce for southern Ontario as well. At least part of the work will be done at a plant in the Toronto area.

Enough of their vehicles are expected to be delivered that they can be used, if necessary, to open the $5.4-billion Eglinton Crosstown as scheduled in 2021.

The vehicles for the Crosstown, as well as several other lines, were supposed to be built by Bombardier Transportation, under a $770-million deal dating to 2010. But the company has been slow to produce functioning prototype vehicles and Metrolinx is no longer confident the remaining vehicles will be ready in time.
[...]
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...oronto-area-transit-projects/article34960793/

 

[Tulse]

Boom.

(Although the article says that these vehicles are larger than the Bombardier ones -- I wonder if that would have any impact on stop platforms.)

 

[salsa]

Now what?

 

[Amare]

Is this guy actually kidding me? Is there anyway we can get some news organization to follow him around for a week to see what kind of work he actually does?

This must be one of the easiest jobs on the face of the planet, get paid tens of thousands to do photo-ops around the clock.

 

[muller877]

Boom.

(Although the article says that these vehicles are larger than the Bombardier ones -- I wonder if that would have any impact on stop platforms.)

So we are going to have 61 more LRT's? I thought we already ordered about 100 too many. Having 150+ LRT's that we will have to pay cancellation fees for....another Fiberal boondoggle.

Guessing we'll only have to pay $250M for this mess up. I guess it's better than the gas plants.

 

[steveintoronto]

Having 150+ LRT's that we will have to pay cancellation fees for....another Fiberal boondoggle.

How do you figure that? Metrolinx is padding the cupboard. Doubtless they have an option on configuration for these. I've posted links above, here's some pics to look at: (Note the use of the term "freedom"...bit of a dig, and also the toilet option, these straddle being 'RER light' in the dual-voltage option run as "tram-trains" on GO electrified track as well as Eglinton Crosstown):

http://www.letbaner.dk/docs/Faktaark_ALSTOM-Citadis-Dualis.pdf