dowlingm
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"Creative"- can you give an example of what that means in practice?
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Midtown Urbanist
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Go on.
What does fewer stops and more grade separation on Crosstown East look like? How can it become closer to a higher-degree of rapid transit in nature?
Before answering, it might be useful to take a look at the stop-space between proposed stops in Crosstown East route. Scarborough is sort-of a big place.
Would removing a stop or two necesarially improve operating speeds along the route? I'm doubtful.
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TheTigerMaster
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With $1 Billion in funds, we can build a money machine to print all the money we need for infrastructure
denfromoakvillemilton
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214m leaves 1.58 billion unfunded. you can get 900m from the province and about 700m from the national infrastructure fund. That's 1.6 billion or so. Should cover every and add the 214m to that, we should be good on Eglinton East.
Voltz
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I don't know what it is about this route that make people keep on calling for wide stop spacing, there's no reason for it, even just eliminating the two closest gaps would leave spacing of well over 800m.
Ross W
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On Metrolinx Crosstown updates,Feb.27 2017:
- Following the transportation of the crane into the site, the tunnel boring machines, Don and Humber, will be extracted during mid-March and mid-April 2017.
Hopkins123
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There's very valid reason if half of these stops will be very sparsely used. Do any of you even venture through east Scarborough on a regular basis to know what I'm talking about, or are you just armchair critics?
Run a parallel bus if you think these intermediate stops are so vital to be served by a billion+ dollar rapid transit line. It's no wonder the line is in jeopardy.
And the central portion of the Crosstown Line does have 800 metre apart spacing through a far more densely populated area of the City. Is it too much to ask for someone to get from UTSC to Kennedy in 12 minutes versus 24? Time savings are indispensable.
sixrings
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The problem is that running a parallel bus costs extra money which they dont want to spend nor have to spend. What everyone seems to act like is that theyre is always enough money or if we wait people will be willing to pay more taxes. I said in this thread or another thread I would happily pay double my taxes if it meant we saw transit get built. On the other hand I dont want to pay double the taxes just to see people throw money around at projects which could be served at a lower cost. I am willing to admit that LRT isnt my preferred option but on a cost front it sure is. That is no different than my car purchasing. My number one choice would have been a Ferrari, but I drive a fiat because it gets me from point a to b maybe without the frills but it does the job.
Hopkins123
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I've mentioned it in the forum before how to go about about fewer stops.
1. Consolidate some of the stops. Instead of Midland and Famouth, a single stop in the block from Commonwealth to Huntington. Combine Mason and Markham. Combine Kingston/Eglinton and Golf Club. Combine Lawrence and Kingston/Morningside. There you go. 4 highly trafficked stops versus 8 poorer performing ones.
2. Cut the West Hill stop. 116 bus covers this already.
3. 3 stops at UTSC is a bit much. A single underground station on the campus proper, followed by the secondary terminus at Military Trail/Morningside would be better IMO.
I've just taken 18 stops and turned it into 12. And the walking distances aren't vastly affected either. How am I the bad guy for suggesting a leaner, more efficient, more bang for our buck LRT line? If you think about it, I'm not really suggesting to cut anything.
As for grade separation. Again this has been covered previously. Grade-separate at Brimley/Danforth Rd, Bellamy/Eglinton GO, Kingston/Eglinton, Guildwood GO, West Hill triangle, separate bridge crossing at Morningside Park/Highland Creek, UTSC campus, separate 401 bridge crossing if ever extended into Malvern.
sixrings
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Im ok with what you are suggesting up until "parallel bus service." I used to walk from huntingwood to finch to grab a bus because midland was so infrequent. However there is a loud majority or minority ( I have no idea which one) which seems to jump on me for suggesting that people can walk abit more between stops. I too would rather less stops while on the service than to have random stops. Anyways once these people break out the dont you think about people with disabilities, seniors, children arguments we are back to either keeping the stops or running a bus as you suggested. Unfortunately we dont have the money for the busses. Id prefer just thinking that the loud voices are a minority and therefore we should ignore them. I dont know.
Hopkins123
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There'll be a parallel bus regardless though, the 116 Morningside. I just don't see the TTC short-turning a mainline route such as this short of Kennedy Station. The 86 might cease to exist post-Crosstown East though west of Morningside through.
Monarch Butterfly
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People forget that buses in the United States expect to stick around for 12 years, which is why people like the "new" buses or vehicles they get in the States. In Canada, buses tend to stick around up to 20 years, if lucky and with good maintenance. Rail vehicles can last up to 40 years.
sixrings
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I honestly dont know all the details but I do remember transit cities goal was to have just enough stops that they didnt have to run a duplicate service. i get that Miller is long gone but I think the more we start constructing things such as the bloor extenstion the more we see how prices have gone up. I dont think anyone is going to be ecstatic if we build all this transit but our fares have to double to pay for it. Obviously theres always inflation in fares but in this case I dont think people want their fares going up crazy amounts because we picked luxury services especially since we have one of the highest fares already in north america and especially since those who need the services the most live the farthest from the city and often dont have vehicles.
dowlingm
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That's not creative though. That's just asking a different level of government for $ which you are unwilling to raise local taxes to borrow. Feds and province might come to the table, but at the proportions above? Given the deficits Feds are running and the province now switching to subsidized hydro to buy votes with? Wouldn't give much for the chance of that.
sixrings
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Theres only one tax payer except when it comes to Toronto transit in which case everyone else should pay up in fear of people switching their votes.