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Yonge Street, North York Streetscape Improvements

ssiguy2 said:
Bicyclists naturally bike faster when using bike lanes/ Remember that a 2 bike lanes {one in each direction} is the equivalent space of one car lane.
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Sometimes they take out two whole lanes. Look at Greenwood, Harbord or Richmond/Adelaide.
 
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-concerned-about-bloor-bike-lanes-impact.html

Here is an article saying pretty much everything that i have been saying in this thread about the impact of adding bike lanes on this stretch of road on the yonge and sheppard stretch. If coffee shops and book stores in bloor area are losing business, imagine What the impact would be on the larger retailers, businesses (Like best buy, Winners, loblaws, cineplex) and finer asian dining businesses that found in the yonge sheppard area.
 
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Burnt creek said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-concerned-about-bloor-bike-lanes-impact.html

Here is an article saying pretty much everything that i have been saying in this thread about the impact of adding bike lanes on this stretch of road on the yonge and sheppard stretch. If coffee shops and book stores in bloor area are losing business, imagine What the impact would be on the larger retailers, businesses (Like best buy, Winners, loblaws, cineplex) and finer asian dining businesses that found in the yonge sheppard area.
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Correlation is not causation.
 
Burnt creek said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-concerned-about-bloor-bike-lanes-impact.html

Here is an article saying pretty much everything that i have been saying in this thread about the impact of adding bike lanes on this stretch of road on the yonge and sheppard stretch. If coffee shops and book stores in bloor area are losing business, imagine What the impact would be on the larger retailers, businesses (Like best buy, Winners, loblaws, cineplex) and finer asian dining businesses that found in the yonge sheppard area.
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That article draws no firm conclusions about the correlation between the implementation of bike lanes and business revenue because there is no data on which to base such a conclusion.
 
Burnt creek said:
Here is an article saying pretty much everything that i have been saying in this thread about the impact of adding bike lanes on this stretch of road on the yonge and sheppard stretch. If coffee shops and book stores in bloor area are losing business, imagine What the impact would be on the larger retailers, businesses (Like best buy, Winners, loblaws, cineplex) and finer asian dining businesses that found in the yonge sheppard area.
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Yonge Street is completely different from Bloor, because (A) way more underground parking to replace street parking, and (B) six lanes instead of four, plus the two ring roads that Bloor doesn't have.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone talked about setting up Yonge sorta like Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington? i.e. Get rid of the left lane in each direction and put in a two-way bike lane with a median, and only allow left turns at traffic lights, kinda like how Spadina and St. Clair are currently set up.
 
Burnt creek said:
Yes. It has the kind of volume that is not far off from what you might see on a freeway. I cant believe people in their right mind are even entertaining this idea. I cycle on weekends and i would not even consider for second using this stretch of road. Especially that area from the 401 to north york centre. It's very dangerous for cyclist and bikes dont belong here because the volume of vehicles is very high. Also, due to the exposive residential growth in that area, the motorist need that access to and off of the 401.
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Also I think the speed limit needs to be lowered along that stretch from Finch to Hwy 401. It must be 60 kms which means cars are really going 70 kms especially after York Mills and going downhill on Yonge and again north of Sheppard
 
Burnt creek said:
And how do you propose doing that? There are a lot of businesses (like major retailers) in that stretch and parking is already at a premium. Businesses are already suffering due to the shortage of parking space. How can you keep, for example, a Best Buy viable in the area by restricting parking even further? Cyclist are not going buy TVs and carry them home on their bikes. Same for groceries shopping.
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Taking the subway across the street, cause these big tv's do not fit in cars so they can go check and then have it delivered
 
11th said:
They wouldn't have to do so, unless we are speaking of closing off Yonge completely. Yonge would still have two lanes in each direction even with the lanes installed as per suggestions.

Wonder if a compromise to move the street parking from Yonge off to the ring roads can work.
Instead of two-lanes each direction (2+2), make it 3+1. Three lanes northbound on Doris, and three lanes southbound on Beecroft. The third lane (cloest to curb) will function just like the curb lanes on Yonge currently - no parking during rush, parking allowed all other times (pay-parking during business hours).
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Burnt creek said:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...-concerned-about-bloor-bike-lanes-impact.html

Here is an article saying pretty much everything that i have been saying in this thread about the impact of adding bike lanes on this stretch of road on the yonge and sheppard stretch. If coffee shops and book stores in bloor area are losing business, imagine What the impact would be on the larger retailers, businesses (Like best buy, Winners, loblaws, cineplex) and finer asian dining businesses that found in the yonge sheppard area.
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we are expected to believe that coffee shops thrive on bloor based on people coming in cars to get a coffee?
 
Palma said:
Also I think the speed limit needs to be lowered along that stretch from Finch to Hwy 401. It must be 60 kms which means cars are really going 70 kms especially after York Mills and going downhill on Yonge and again north of Sheppard
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It's 50km/h from north of 401. The only stretch of Yonge that's signed 60km/h in Toronto is between 401 and the old Toronto-North York border.
 
It may be signed as 50km/h north of the 401, but cars are going WAY faster than that. I used to bike that stretch to get to work everyday and it was really scary sometimes.
 
Local residents were expecting discussion of Re-Imagining Yonge (Sheppard to Finch) at the Public Works Committee this quarter. But this week, Executive Committee approved the following motion by Councillor Shiner:

6a - Motion to Amend Item moved by Councillor David Shiner
That:

1. City Council decrease the 2017 - 2026 Budget Committee Recommended Capital Budget and Plan for Transportation Services by $4.0 million in 2017 cash flows, and defer consideration of the Re-Imagining Yonge Street Sheppard to Finch capital project to the 2018 Budget process.​



Apparently Shiner said that he was against the removal of a lane of traffic on Yonge, and that the loss of street parking will be bad for businesses. He also thinks it's unsafe having the cycle tracks terminate at Bishop Ave, because "inexperienced cyclists" will ride north on Yonge St in the cycle tracks, and then get to Bishop and decide to continue riding further north where there is no bike lane (for now).

This delay could kill the project altogether and lose funding from the federal government’s Public Transit Infrastructure Fund, which requires projects to be shovel ready by 2018. Councillor Filion didn't know it was happening. He's outraged. This is just another example of throwing people under the bus with the most thinly veiled excuses.

First of all, Shiner should be more concerned about inexperienced and careless car drivers than cyclists. It's ludicrous to be worrying about losing street parking when the study showed there is ample parking on side streets and underground, and that parking generally contributes only a tiny fraction of a business's customer base. Then there's the stupid assertion that the termination of the bike lane at Bishop Ave leaves cyclists in the lurch with nowhere to go. The intention of the bike plan is to create a network of bike facilities in the area enabling riders to transfer from one route to another (here's a map). The Yonge bike lane would connect to the Finch Hydro Corridor trail. Cyclists on Yonge who want a safe way of riding north to Steeles can use the Finch trail to transfer onto the planned Willowdale Ave bike lane (to the east) or to the Hilda Ave signed bike route (to the west). If Shiner wants to rant about cycling safety, then maybe he should make sure that Willowdale and and Hilda projects are built too.
 
It has more to do with the Executive Committee approving the motion rather than Shiner filing it. He's only accountable to his ward after all, and his ward certainly does not include Yonge St...
 
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