Palma
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so why LRT on Jane vs LRT on Dufferin
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Steve X
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Because Dufferin is already too close to the Spadina Line and wouldn't benefit the network if an underground alignment is chosen. Jane has a similar problem of being too narrow and would need to be underground. Thus if an underground LRT is needed, Jane should get a LRT before Dufferin.
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How the Eglinton Crosstown LRT will transform Toronto
A lot of highlights on the development outside Yonge and Eg.
A lot of highlights on the development outside Yonge and Eg.
Palma
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WEll I am still trying to figure out how Eglinton is wide enough for 2 lanes travelling east and 2 lanes travelling west along with 2 lanes for the LRT (one in each direction). Actully I just realized the photo must be of land in the east where from what has been written on this forum is wide enough as the LRT will be underground in the central section. But even in the central section to also make room for bike lanes and increase sidewalks and have boulevards, its just not wide enough unless you go down to 1 car lane in each direction. Photos evens ones showing condo development when developers are trying to sell them to local communities always show this low rise fronting the street with bike lanes, wide sidewalks and boulevards with retail at ground level. The finished product is not the same. You don't see designated bike lanes or side boulevards with trees beside wide sidewalks
Monarch Butterfly
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I hope that they include parking laybys in Etobicoke and Scarborough for street parking and breakdown lanes.
At least let them have somewhere to go with their fenderbenders, so they don't block the traffic lanes.
At least let them have somewhere to go with their fenderbenders, so they don't block the traffic lanes.
Avenue
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I disagree that Dufferin is mostly local or that it is very close to Spadina line, in that, there isn't an proper connection to/traffic towards Spadina subway stations (Not a lot of people transfer to St Clair West or Dupont, which is why I was saying Crosstown can change that by moving people to Cedarvale) . I lived there for 3 years and the 29 bus southbound fills up from Lawrance and below, just to simply unload all at Bloor (and vice versa; the bus fills up at Bloor and just empties along the way). So it's closest to a subway shuttle as it gets. While Dufferin between Bloor till Castlefield is a lot denser than it's being given credit for, there isn't many destinations on Dufferin itself on that stretch. So streetcar spacing would be useless.
I'm not familiar with Jane so can't speak Dufferin vs. Jane, but Dufferin with its density (houses typically occupied by multiple families, with multiple children) and low income demographic easily warrants an LRT type of solution, construction limitations aside.
I'm not familiar with Jane so can't speak Dufferin vs. Jane, but Dufferin with its density (houses typically occupied by multiple families, with multiple children) and low income demographic easily warrants an LRT type of solution, construction limitations aside.
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Monarch Butterfly
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Avenue
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Not until Eglinton. And I don't think anyone is advocating for rapid transit north of Eglinton on Dufferin anyway.
Monarch Butterfly
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29 Dufferin did not go south of Eglinton Avenue until after March 26, 1962. It was merged with the 73 South Dufferin, which only ran between St. Clair Avenue West and Queen Street West, also until March 26, 1962. Also why the Dufferin Subway Station was and is only a on-street transfer, when the Line 2 Bloor-Danforth Subway opened on February 26, 1966, there wasn't much ridership on the 29 route when the station was designed back in the early 1960's.
See link.
See link.
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torontopeter
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It is 2017.
How is any of that relevant?
Furthermore, how is any of that relevant to the point of this thread, which is the Eglinton Crosstown LRT?
Palma
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Dufferin has no destination because it's mainly residential starting from south of Eglinton and detached or semi-detached houses, other than Yorkdale and if Downsview park is ever developed
torontopeter
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That's a good point but one that was not informed by a post about the street 50+ years ago.
Cobra
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I know I'm off topic but Dufferin is in DIRE need of Rapid Transit. Status quo is a nightmare. DRL West to Eglinton under Dufferin would be more effective
Midtown Urbanist
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Not to derail this even further, but I totally agree.
There are a few things that are fairly clear at this point.
- Dufferin Bus is way over-capacity, it needs an alternative solution.
- Massive development is underway along the Dufferin corridor at points between Eglinton and Bloor, potentially totally overwhelming the Dufferin 29 Route.
- LRT won't work on Dufferin because it would have to be tunneled. LRT is a non-solution.
- Bloor line west of St. George and the Spadina line will need relief by 2035 projections.
This points to me that a subway line under Dufferin has the potential to solve multiple factors at once. Providing rapid transit to Dufferin corridor (which is needed) and providing relief to Spadina line (which is needed).
Rainforest
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^ Indeed, extending DRL in the west up Dufferin might become a necessity. That, or otherwise we have to artificially restrict developments along Dufferin because we cannot support it either with public transit or with the road network (Dufferin is pretty much non-driveable already during the rush hours).
I thought of a kind of LRT solution that has some sections tunneled (roughly, Eglinton to Dundas), the north in street-median ROW (Eglinton to Wilson), and the southern chunk in mixed traffic. But, now I think that such mixed solution is not cost-effective.
I thought of a kind of LRT solution that has some sections tunneled (roughly, Eglinton to Dundas), the north in street-median ROW (Eglinton to Wilson), and the southern chunk in mixed traffic. But, now I think that such mixed solution is not cost-effective.