Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Steve X]

Maybe they could have grade separated (elevate) the Victoria Park, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy section. It avoids a secession of 3 lights in a very busy area. The rest of the signals are manageable being at grade. Sometime like this could have costed $200m

 

[lead82]

300-400m spacing would be fine. In Toronto we often have spacing of 200m or less. The fact that we have near-side and far-side bus stops on some corners is ridiculous. The number of stops needs to be balanced with speed.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Maybe they could have grade separated (elevate) the Victoria Park, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy section. It avoids a secession of 3 lights in a very busy area. The rest of the signals are manageable being at grade. Sometime like this could have costed $200m

Same problem with tunneling you have to put in elevators and stairs to get up to the stops, plus what happens with the snow on it odes it just fall onto the road or does it sit up there?

 

[Hopkins123]

Maybe they could have grade separated (elevate) the Victoria Park, Eglinton Square and Pharmacy section. It avoids a secession of 3 lights in a very busy area. The rest of the signals are manageable being at grade. Sometime like this could have costed $200m

The Victoria Park station would be ideal for grade separation. The parkette is already there for the Crosstown's disposal. To my knowledge 3 pedestrians were killed at the O'Connor/Vic Park/Eglinton triangle within the past 5 years. Not a very safe place for surface boarding of trains. Just imagine how many people will try to jaywalk and dart across traffic if they're running late and see a train on its way. It's likely a disaster in the making not to build this section in a trench.

Frankly the land use of all of the Golden Mile screams to grade separate the whole stretch.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Is the Science Centre Station underground at Don Mills? If it is, the. Won't there be 5 changes in grade along the Crosstown? At Mount Dennis, Liard, Don mills, Don mills, Kennedy. I feel like this is inefficient and should be underground all the way, but it's too late for that

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Is the Science Centre Station underground at Don Mills? If it is, the. Won't there be 5 changes in grade along the Crosstown? At Mount Dennis, Liard, Don mills, Don mills, Kennedy. I feel like this is inefficient and should be underground all the way, but it's too late for that

A streetcar can take an 8% grade, while a light rail vehicle is restricted to a 5% grade. A heavy rail vehicle is preferred to restrict itself to 3%. So those grade changes along the Crosstown are minimal for a light rail, a heavy rail setup would have to be more level.

 

[Johnny Au]

A streetcar can take an 8% grade, while a light rail vehicle is restricted to a 5% grade. A heavy rail vehicle is preferred to restrict itself to 3%. So those grade changes along the Crosstown are minimal for a light rail, a heavy rail setup would have to be more level.

There goes plans to have heavy rail or even light rail along Dufferin Street

 

[sixrings]

I thought the new streetcars and lrt could both do that incline. Maybe I wa mistaken.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

If a streetcar can take the steep Bathurst Hill at Davenport, it would pass the acceptance test. If a light rail vehicle may not, unless it's empty.

 

[junctionist]

A streetcar can take an 8% grade, while a light rail vehicle is restricted to a 5% grade. A heavy rail vehicle is preferred to restrict itself to 3%. So those grade changes along the Crosstown are minimal for a light rail, a heavy rail setup would have to be more level.

Heavy rail subways can handle 6% grades if they use rubber tires like the Montreal Metro. John Martins-Manteiga mentioned that as an advantage of subway trains with rubber tires in his book, Metro: Design in Motion.

 

[Steve X]

A streetcar can take an 8% grade, while a light rail vehicle is restricted to a 5% grade. A heavy rail vehicle is preferred to restrict itself to 3%. So those grade changes along the Crosstown are minimal for a light rail, a heavy rail setup would have to be more level.

It's just a cost thing. Most modern systems are designed for 5% with 2 powered and 1 unpowered bogie (30m length). The new streetcars have all powered bogies.

Is the Science Centre Station underground at Don Mills? If it is, the. Won't there be 5 changes in grade along the Crosstown? At Mount Dennis, Liard, Don mills, Don mills, Kennedy. I feel like this is inefficient and should be underground all the way, but it's too late for that

Ummm sir, Toronto isn't flat. Even underground, the tunnels go up and down. There is change of grade (sloping) on the entire line. Burying the entire line would just cost over $10B. Here's what the engineering term "grade" actually means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(slope)

 

[SaugeenJunction]

There goes plans to have heavy rail or even light rail along Dufferin Street

Not to change the topic but is this even being considered?

 

[innsertnamehere]

Not really. Dufferin is a tough street to service, really high demand for a bus but an extremely constricted right of way. A subway wouldn't really get enough ridership to make sense, but regular bus service is severely inadequate.

The city is studying how to improve transit service on. The corridor right now, but I'm not sure if they are thinking full infrastructure changes or just minor improvements like queue jump lanes.

 

[Avenue]

The Crosstown LRT can help Dufferin a little bit, by intercepting the bus at Dufferin and Eglinton and diverting the crowd to Eglinton West Station on Line 1 instead and taking some pressure off Dufferin Station on Line 2, which would be welcomed as Dufferin is busiest/densest between Castlefield and Dupont.
The LRT can basically do what the St Clair streetcar couldn't.

 

[Steve X]

Dufferin is very local. People heading downtown would probably prefer streetcar spacing (easier walking) and transfer to the next major intersection than to take it straight down to Bloor. Of course if you're going from Wilson Station to Dufferin Station and southwards, it's about that same via bus or subway (transferring at St George). Dufferin is rather hilly between Lawrence and St Clair. LRT spacing would drive away some of the local demand, especially in winter. Traffic wise, it would be a disaster.

The Crosstown LRT can help Dufferin a little bit, by intercepting the bus at Dufferin and Eglinton and diverting the crowd to Eglinton West Station on Line 1 instead and taking some pressure off Dufferin Station on Line 2, which would be welcomed as Dufferin is busiest/densest between Castlefield and Dupont.
The LRT can basically do what the St Clair streetcar couldn't.

I actually don't know what LRT can do on Dufferin. Stuff it underground? Might as well build the Jane LRT instead. Dufferin is better off with bus lanes and a mix of local and express buses. There are way too many traffic lights on St Clair and Dufferin.