Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
You mean I'll have to walk over to Royal York with my 9' sugar maple to board?
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You mean I'll have to walk over to Royal York with my 9' sugar maple to board?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Nearly 60% of Torontonians approve of plans to extend Crosstown east to UTSC and cut Scarborough Subway down to 1 stop. Approval for the plan was also 60% in Scarborough: http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/9514c717-be27-4440-956e-b4322e759d2fTO Transit News Release (2016 03 23) Forum Research.pdf
crs1026
Superstar
Hey, don't get that thing tangled in the catenary.
I'm hearing that Plant World may be slated for redevelopment. Even more reason to keep an eye on stop spacing. This line needs to be fast, and not an all-stops local route.
- Paul
ksun
Senior Member
No new stops please.
Let's not make this as annoying as the 512.
Let's not make this as annoying as the 512.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
People lamenting about Crosstown East stops probably are not realizing how huge Scarborough is.
Many of those stops that seem nonsensical to people, are actually of equivalent stop-space distance to the tunnel section of the line. Removing them would lead to huge stop-distances between stops, larger than Bloor-Danforth. Removing them won't allow for that much more rapid travelling, and personally, I would like to avoid having to run buses alongside an in-median LRT.
Here is the map from the SM-LRT EA:
Many of those stops that seem nonsensical to people, are actually of equivalent stop-space distance to the tunnel section of the line. Removing them would lead to huge stop-distances between stops, larger than Bloor-Danforth. Removing them won't allow for that much more rapid travelling, and personally, I would like to avoid having to run buses alongside an in-median LRT.
Here is the map from the SM-LRT EA:
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Hopkins123
Senior Member
The nonsensical stops are obvious. Falmouth, Mason, Eglinton/Kingston, Guildwood Pkwy, Lawrence and West Hill could go as they nearby to other stops.
The alignment around UTSC is all wrong, IMO. It should directly serve the main campus from south of Ellesmere, then follow Military Trail back to rejoin Morningside. And the terminus should be the Malvern Town Ctr shopping mall as that's the heart of the community, not Sheppard.
Steve X
Senior Member
No one is making new stops here, these are stops included in the EA.
Tuck
Active Member
I thought the stop spacing was pretty tight at first, but its actually comparable to the downtown section of the Yonge line. Plus Scarborough isn't nearly as dense, so its probably fine. A few of them are pretty close to each other, but its not as crazy as I thought.
That said I feel like going from one end of the line to the other is gonna be a giant pain in the butt because of all those stops.
That said I feel like going from one end of the line to the other is gonna be a giant pain in the butt because of all those stops.
Steve X
Senior Member
The subway portion of this LRT is more spaced apart than the BD line. Most stops are like 1km apart instead of 700-800m on the BD line.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The thing is, the Crosstown is for mostly local commutes. Very very few people would be going the whole length of the line, unless their destination is Pearson Airport. In which case, they can factor the long trip into their travel plans.
Considering average speed of 25km/h for surface portion, and 34km/h for tunneled portion...
End to end should be:
Crosstown West - 8.6km (to Renforth) / 25km/h = 20:38 min
Crosstown Tunnel - 11.5km / 34km/h = 20:17 min
Crosstown Surface - 7.3km / 25km/h = 17:31 min
Crosstown East - 15.1km / 25km/h = 36:14 min
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Eglinton Crosstown (Renforth to UTSC) = 94:40 min (1 hour 34 minutes)
This again, should demonstrate just how large Scarborough is. Crosstown East is a long extension.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
How often do you travel from Kennedy to Kipling?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I bet not even 1% are going end to end on this thing
Steve X
Senior Member
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If we have presto and everyone needs to tap in and out, we would have much better data.
probably much lower than 0.1%. 1% is 1 in 100 people. Considering that over 1500 people can ride a train in rush hour and only 100 of them board at Kipling, 1% meant 15 of the 100 people who boarded at Kipling would go to Kennedy.
If we have presto and everyone needs to tap in and out, we would have much better data.
Tuck
Active Member
I might ride it end to end.
Once.
On the day that it opens =D.
Other than that yeah you guys are right I suppose. Though even to get from the UofT Scarborough to the Yonge line would be a lot of stops (I think, I haven't actually counted), and I imagine that'd be more common.
Once.
On the day that it opens =D.
Other than that yeah you guys are right I suppose. Though even to get from the UofT Scarborough to the Yonge line would be a lot of stops (I think, I haven't actually counted), and I imagine that'd be more common.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
That makes no sense at all why would they want to do that? would Metrolinx even let them do it or the province? Plus I don't think the city or the TTC board is in a good position to be calling Metrolinx out on projects taking longer then they should.