AlvinofDiaspar
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Because I am not an anti-car yuppy zealot? That's your answer. If you got to engage in personal insults, you could have picked a better target.
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Because I am not an anti-car yuppy zealot? That's your answer. If you got to engage in personal insults, you could have picked a better target.
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I know that it's a bit of arguing in an echo chamber, despite arcum and DDA's contributions, but I thought this link floating around Twitter was great:
http://onestreet.org/resources-for-increasing-bicycling/115-traffic-evaporation
http://onestreet.org/images/stories/Disappearing_traffic.pdf
70 case studies showing that when you close a street, the traffic really does evaporate. The first link has further testimonials to various closures as well.
http://onestreet.org/resources-for-increasing-bicycling/115-traffic-evaporation
http://onestreet.org/images/stories/Disappearing_traffic.pdf
70 case studies showing that when you close a street, the traffic really does evaporate. The first link has further testimonials to various closures as well.
So where does this leave the results at this point?
TheTigerMaster
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17 to 19 in favour of maintain, if you believe Matt Elliott, or 16-14 in favour of removal, if you believe the G&M
salsa
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Only 70 case studies? Lets see what team hybrid has to say about that. I give you mayor Tory's chief of staff:
In other news, another 14 business leaders came out in favour of the boulevard today. They shall be ignored.
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arcum
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Yuppie was not meant to be an insult: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuppie
King West/Liberty Village is full of young urban professionals!
What did you think it meant?
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1. Yeah, I saw that Tweet. Hopefully, Chris won't come back to Toronto in time to 'contribute' next week. Yeesh.
2. I'm sure that Tory will be looking at that list of developers and discounting it because, y'know, they own land he plans to appropriate, so they must be wrong.
LNahid2000
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But the result was one of the nicest public spaces in the entire city:
Traffic may have increased since the removal of the Embarcadero Freeway, but this isn't necessarily a cause and effect relationship.
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I think it's pretty funny that we have developpers and MP's coming out and expressing their opinions about that Garinder, when these are the 2 groups we should care least about and nobody asked their opinions on the matter. Developers keep developing their garbage across the city and as long as they cant make fat profits, they'll develop where ever they see open available land. They've already started developing lands that have been heavily contaminated, so if they can do that I'm pretty sure they'll develop anywhere they see fit.
As for the MP's, I mean are they serious? I dont care if they are Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green Party, or Independent; these are the same group of people who have crippled commutes across the region to the point where we are building subways to farmlands, and highways across farmland for "future demand". I'll give the Libs credit that they're trying to reverse the trend, but they should just keep their mouths shut and focus on their own highways. Or maybe they are interested in uploading the Gardiner? If that's the case we're all ears.
As for the MP's, I mean are they serious? I dont care if they are Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green Party, or Independent; these are the same group of people who have crippled commutes across the region to the point where we are building subways to farmlands, and highways across farmland for "future demand". I'll give the Libs credit that they're trying to reverse the trend, but they should just keep their mouths shut and focus on their own highways. Or maybe they are interested in uploading the Gardiner? If that's the case we're all ears.
TheTigerMaster
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Hmm. And all these years I've always thought a former teacher of mine was making fun of me whenever he called me a "keep-busy yuppie".
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Your original quote:
I think you meant it as a derogatory term to lift up the image of the hard-working truck driver stuck in traffic and poor wage slave that can barely afford an Audi to get her from her monster home in Aurora downtown, while sneering at streetcar riders. What do you think you meant?
ksun
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^ judging by the QQ revitalization, that area won't be nearly as nice even after Gardiner is removed. It will simply be a major 8 lane street with glass towers on both sides, and if we are lucky, a few trees here and there (no palm trees of course), and the dominate feature would be cement. None of the pretty features in the photo will happen in Toronto. We won't have a square like this.
TheTigerMaster
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Please don't upload the Gardiner. The last thing we need is to give the Province of Ontario another tool to muck around with Toronto's affairs.
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arcum
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Big surprise that condo developers who already own the land want to tear down the Gardiner!
Meanwhile the hybrid option is preferred by companies that form the backbone of Toronto and Ontario industry including:
Toronto Financial District Business Improvement Area
Ontario Trucking Association
Toronto Industry Network
Canadian Courier and Logistics Association.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Funnily enough though, some of the pro-hybrid councillors were the ones making noises about uploading.
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