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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

It looks like the pathway between Coman avenue and Main Street station will be closed off to the public for good as they seem to be putting in several large concrete bases possibly for new poles to hang new streetcar wires on.
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I am not surprised. Subway Crescent over at Kipling had access from the Kiss and Ride. It is visible when you look at the way the sidewalk is laid out but they have fenced it off.

Knowing this area well both living near there and having taken the 300 from there a few times it was probably deemed a safety risk and thereby surplus. Having an enclosed space such as that pathway and some rather "interesting" people late at night made it a liability.

With that in mind, when a door closes jump out a window. They probably saw an opportunity to turn an unsafe passage into a workable space for poles.
 
Amare said:
The TTC is delusional if they think the new signaling system will increase capacity on the Yonge-University line by 25%. I'll go as high as 10-15% max. Especially if it means that there will be more trains sitting in tunnels waiting for the train ahead to clear the station.
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I remember reading in many articles over the last few years and older that it would be 10%. I have no idea where 25% has come from all of a sudden.
 
WillTo said:
43 Subway closures planned for 2018 :-(

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...-closures-next-year-up-from-35-this-year.html

Report: https://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Co...res_2017_Year_in_Review_and_2018_Forecast.pdf
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Two things.

With all the St Clair turnbacks are they completing the trackbed work in and around Davisville?

Also.. have they sorted the issues of what to do in the event of a Plan A turning into a Plan B, then into a Plan C which spirals into a Plan D from the resulting Plan E at VMC?

Gold Star for those who could decipher that (I thought it was amusing).

What I was saying in my second point was that if all hell breaks loose north of steeles have they figured out the shuttle arrangements or will the blind be leading the blind.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
It looks like the pathway between Coman avenue and Main Street station will be closed off to the public for good as they seem to be putting in several large concrete bases possibly for new poles to hang new streetcar wires on.
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The walkway is being shifted to the south side of the station, where the landscape buffer between the station and the laneway for Danforth retail is located.

The premise of this work is modification to accommodate new streetcars, as per councillor newsletter.
 
Amare said:
The TTC is delusional if they think the new signaling system will increase capacity on the Yonge-University line by 25%. I'll go as high as 10-15% max. Especially if it means that there will be more trains sitting in tunnels waiting for the train ahead to clear the station.
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Unfortunately, the term "capacity" is being misused by the press. *Effective* Capacity is closer to what they mean. Capacity can remain exactly the same, but *throughput* can increase markedly if the rate of travel and loading and unloading of the "capacity" is increased.

Think a bus travelling on a shuttle route. It has fixed capacity, but by increasing the rate that bus travels (all other things remaining equal) it delivers more rides per time frame than before. Therefore the *effective* capacity has increased. The press and press releases fail to state the context of how "capacity" is expressed, therefore it implies just static capacity, which unless more vehicles are added, and they can be moved at the same rate of speed as prior (caveats, like platform handling and ingress/egress rate apply), then capacity increases.

This is one of the problems with touting how subway lengthening is going to do all these wonderful things. Without added vehicles, service will actually decrease unless speed along the entire line is increased.
 
Richard White said:
Two things.

With all the St Clair turnbacks are they completing the trackbed work in and around Davisville?
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No. That will require the subway to be shutdown for two weeks straight, as all the way down to the sub-base needs to be replaced.

Honestly it will probably only get done once the Eglinton LRT is open. They will just keep bandaid fixing the tracks every weekend closure they get.

Once the LRT is open they can redirect people onto the Spadina line heading downtown, but until then I dont see them closing the subway down for 2 weeks straight.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Good thing the TTC buys new trains when they extend lines..
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If only...
[...]
Fleet Planning

The need to order cars “last week” arises directly from the evolution of the subway fleet plan, and the changes forced onto it by the SSE. First, a brief description of the existing subway fleet.

The TTC owns two types of subway car, with one sub-type:

  • The T1 fleet is about 15 years old, and all of these vehicles are now used exclusively on Line 2 BD. They are not equipped with Automatic Train Control (ATC) equipment, and they will not be able to operate on Line 1 YUS or Line 4 Sheppard once these cut over to ATC operation in the next few years. A retrofit of ATC gear to these cars would be of limited use on Line 2 BD because it will not switch to ATC until the mid-2020s when these cars will be due for replacement.
  • Most of the new TR trains are in 6-car units, and these are used on Line 1 YUS. The fleet is large enough already to handle the extension to Vaughan in late 2017 and some increase in service once ATC is fully operational. However, there are not enough 6-car TRs to allow operation at the minimum headway projected for ATC of 1’50” between trains. A further order will be needed to achieve that level of service.
  • There are six 4-car TR trains used on Line 4 Sheppard. There is no plan to acquire more trains, and service on Sheppard could be increased from the current peak level of four trains to at most five trains (leaving one spare).
From the 2017 Capital Budget, the Line 2 fleet plan:
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This plan does not align with construction plans in various ways:

  • The SSE extension service is shown as operating effective in 2023, a date long-known to be unachievable. The opening is now tentatively aimed at 2026.
  • Procurement of replacement cars is shown as starting in 2026 and running through 2030. This aligns with a roughly 30-year lifespan for the T1 fleet.
  • Plans for ATC on Line 2 now show this project completing in 2024, and the SSE would be built as an ATC-only facility. Therefore, a new fleet must be completely in place before the SSE can open.
  • The total number of trains the TTC would have by 2031 is less than what they claim to need (69 vs 71).
Accelerating the provision of a new fleet would be challenging on the basis of a completely new tender and design, whereas resuming production of the TR trains would avoid the need for prototyping. However, this would only be possible with a sole source contract to Bombardier who are not the TTC’s favourite supplier at the moment. Moreover, the entire project would shift forward and add pressure to spending during a period when the City does not wish to incur any new debt to finance capital projects.

There is no funding in the City’s Capital Budget for these trains. The seven trains shown in the fleet plan for “SSE procurement” are not included in the SSE budget.
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https://stevemunro.ca/2017/07/13/ttc-board-discovers-cost-of-bloor-danforth-subway-renovation/
 

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Richard White said:
With all the St Clair turnbacks are they completing the trackbed work in and around Davisville?
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I assume they're doing something, otherwise it would make no sense to extend all these shutdowns south to St. Clair. The trains have to go nearly all the way up to Davisville in any case to turn around, since there's no crossover at St. Clair. There's obviously more going on than just the LRT construction, since some of the shutdowns extend north to Sheppard or Finch.

Honestly, the shutdowns on Yonge aren't that bad if the TTC doesn't screw up managing them. Buses run almost as fast as the subway except at the two-lane Yonge-Eg intersection, which should hopefully be less congested next year. It ends up adding about 10 minutes to the one-way trip between two transfers and traffic - not the end of the world.

During the shutdown a couple of weeks ago they completely screwed up the shuttle buses on Saturday. There was some traffic jam at Yonge & St. Clair, and as a result the buses weren't frequent enough at Lawrence. It was down to one bus every ten minutes, the lineup started extending down the subway platform and it became a safety issue. Trains had to turn back at York Mills instead of Lawrence, which put even more strain on the shuttle buses - two places to pick up passengers instead of one, and a 13 kilometer round trip rather than 9 kilometers. On Sunday they seemed to have added a lot more shuttle buses, and it was the usual steady stream where everyone got on a bus almost immediately.

robmausser said:
Once the LRT is open they can redirect people onto the Spadina line heading downtown, but until then I dont see them closing the subway down for 2 weeks straight.
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They can't. The LRT doesn't have anywhere near the capacity to do that, and neither does the Spadina line. Even an army of shuttle buses would barely have the capacity to do it.
 
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