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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

AlbertHWagstaff said:
They might be due for inspections which would keep them in the carhouse for the day.
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I was also thinking they may not have enough drivers for them to have then in service all the time yet. After all they had them all out during the Pan Am Games and also on Monday they had about six out maybe the drivers of them were near OT so they kept them in today
 
Here's 4409 wandering out along Gerrard St. East ...

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It's too bad that Cincinatti or Kansas City don't have any surplus cars to offer us this time - then we could ditch BBD and be done with it.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
It's too bad that Cincinatti or Kansas City don't have any surplus cars to offer us this time - then we could ditch BBD and be done with it.

- Paul
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Not sure if this was a joke, but those cities don't use TTC gauge therefore their cars are incompatible.
 
salsa said:
Not sure if this was a joke, but those cities don't use TTC gauge therefore their cars are incompatible.
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On that note, is there any other city still using TTC's gauge? Has TTC ever considered regauging to the standard gauge?
 
cplchanb said:
On that note, is there any other city still using TTC's gauge? Has TTC ever considered regauging to the standard gauge?
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Apart from 512 St. Clair there wouldn't have been much trackage that could be easily hived off the current system and onto the Transit City one while providing a convenient route to downtown or the subway. It would also have possibly resulted in forgoing the current off street connections to the subway at St Clair and St Clair West given that "off the shelf" LRVs would probably not make the required turns those curves demand. Given the disruption the rebuild of St Clair caused there is no way that is going to be ripped up now.

The gauge issue alone isn't determinative - Toronto's tight turns would probably be the hardest for other systems' cars to manage, especially if low floor. If the cars are wider or narrow then platforms would have to be rebuilt where they exist - again, this only recently had to be redone for Spadina and St. Clair when the Flexity cars were measured against them.
 
salsa said:
Not sure if this was a joke, but those cities don't use TTC gauge therefore their cars are incompatible.
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All the second-hand PCC cars bought from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Birmingham and Kansas City were not TTC gauge, it wasn't that big of a deal. Cars can be regauged if necessary, or new trucks at the correct gauge can be made. There are mulitple different gauges in use around the world..
 
AlbertHWagstaff said:
All the second-hand PCC cars bought from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Birmingham and Kansas City were not TTC gauge, it wasn't that big of a deal. Cars can be regauged if necessary, or new trucks at the correct gauge can be made. There are mulitple different gauges in use around the world..
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Easier to do with high floor. We are trying to get to a low floor system.
 
dowlingm said:
Easier to do with high floor. We are trying to get to a low floor system.
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Not to mention that the gauge and track conditions are pretty bespoke to just TTC... which was why it was so expensive to begin with and why other companies were uncompetitive
 
AlbertHWagstaff is right. People make way too big of a deal out of the TTC's unique track gauge. The TTC's turning radius and grades mean that things would still need to be custom to the TTC even if the track gauge changed.

(And BTW, for TTC gauge compared to standard gauge each track is 1 inch further away from the centre. Just one little inch.)
 
Track gauge is a Red Herring since there are many systems using different gauges in the first place.

You can change gauge with lowfloor like you could do with highfloor.

The question of converting to standard gauge rose 5 years after TTC moved to the new system and was too late to make the change then.

If TTC had decided to change gauges, haft the system would have to be shut down since cars would only work on routes that could be converted quickly as well having a yard for them. You could split the system in 2 with each yard coveting only X line or area until the full conversion took place while still using the current standard gauge. Also, cost would be higher since it been done in a short time frame and was the money there to do it? The system has yet to be fully rebuilt to the new standard today.

The centre to centre of rail should had been increase during the rebuilding phase and this has been stated by Andy.

Going to duel end cars would have eliminated the tight squealing loops and free up space for new development on it. The new cars do squeal, but not as bad as the current fleet.
 
crs1026 said:
then we could ditch BBD and be done with it.
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so what if hypothetically the TTC does hath and whatever company runs into the same problems do we ditch them and find someone else so we end up with like 20 different streetcar models running around Toronto. That doesn't make sense to me. The TTC picked the bidder they thought could best deliver a product to them yes there are somethings that have come up to delay them be it a strike, quality control issues design issues but that could happen to any company.
 
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