smuncky
Senior Member
that's the really sad part in all those this.
how can people of such a profession lower to such standards is beyond belief.
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The Tenor (10 Dundas St E, Ent Prop Trust, 10s, Baldwin & Franklin)
that's the really sad part in all those this.
how can people of such a profession lower to such standards is beyond belief.
alklay
Senior Member
This document only shows what Pen Inequity wanted, not that they asked for signs in other places besides what now exists and did not get it. In fact, the city gave them everything they requested (if I am reading the document right).
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Why should Metropolis be allowed to have ads on the west side? They're there to build a shopping mall, not a structure completely wrapped in ads.
alklay:
The city is overly generous - given the crap that has been built, they should denied every single one of the requests.
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alklay:
The city is overly generous - given the crap that has been built, they should denied every single one of the requests.
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yyzer
Senior Member
I think we have to look at TLS in context of what it is...a monument to garish commercialism...isn't that what it was always planned as? I am going to side with Caltrane on this, as in person, and especially at night, it looks pretty good, and I think it will get even better when it is fully open.
It was always envisioned as our version of Times Square, for whatever merit that may bring to the city, and I think that, at that level, it will deliver.
It is good architecture? for sure, not, but in context of what it is supposed to be, it will be o.k...
Could it have been better? Undoubtedly, but it is what it is...surely we were not expecting the Louvre, when it is supposed to be a bunch of billboards, advertising, shopping, dining, and movie theaters?
I guess I am defending it because of the context of what it was supposed to be, just as I bashed the Opera House, because of the context of what it was supposed to be...
It was always envisioned as our version of Times Square, for whatever merit that may bring to the city, and I think that, at that level, it will deliver.
It is good architecture? for sure, not, but in context of what it is supposed to be, it will be o.k...
Could it have been better? Undoubtedly, but it is what it is...surely we were not expecting the Louvre, when it is supposed to be a bunch of billboards, advertising, shopping, dining, and movie theaters?
I guess I am defending it because of the context of what it was supposed to be, just as I bashed the Opera House, because of the context of what it was supposed to be...
Tuscani01
Senior Member
I cant find the other document I saw, but PenEquity did apply for ads along Yonge. One huge one was to go up on the north end facing Yonge St. If its not in any of the current plans, it must have been turned down. There is no way PenEquity would cancel them seeing as they bring in revenue.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
yyz:
That's where I will beg to differ - one can have garish commercialism without resorting to fake fans and poor materials everywhere. Eaton Centre, heck even Atrium on the Bay didn't go this way - and both served the functions you've listed. In addition to that, the project necessitated the use of eminent domain powers on the part of the city - and all there is to show was that thing? (and I wouldn't even get into the amount of inconvience Ryerson suffered from the deal).
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That's where I will beg to differ - one can have garish commercialism without resorting to fake fans and poor materials everywhere. Eaton Centre, heck even Atrium on the Bay didn't go this way - and both served the functions you've listed. In addition to that, the project necessitated the use of eminent domain powers on the part of the city - and all there is to show was that thing? (and I wouldn't even get into the amount of inconvience Ryerson suffered from the deal).
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yyzer
Senior Member
Well, I hate the fake fans too - they are probably the low point, eh?...
3Dementia
Senior Member
Be careful what you wish for.... 8 or 9 years of prayers and it finally rises.
Only a fool would expect anything but what we got.
So now you want the hoarding back?
Hypocrites.
Only a fool would expect anything but what we got.
So now you want the hoarding back?
Hypocrites.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
yyz:
Oh fake fans are "fine" (like you've said, low levels of expectations), but for the love of god, can't they at least have ones that aren't so terrible - i.e. where is no clear ventilation duct, and the "fan" is more like an impression mould than an actual device?
BARF!
3D:
After the atrocity that was the Torch, I was hoping loudly PE would go under - a pile of rusting steel might prove more interesting. No luck.
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Oh fake fans are "fine" (like you've said, low levels of expectations), but for the love of god, can't they at least have ones that aren't so terrible - i.e. where is no clear ventilation duct, and the "fan" is more like an impression mould than an actual device?
BARF!
3D:
After the atrocity that was the Torch, I was hoping loudly PE would go under - a pile of rusting steel might prove more interesting. No luck.
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caltrane74
Senior Member
Big Hulking & Brutish Building, Covered in Gawdy and Cheap Advertising.
If anything, it's maintaing the character of Yonge and Dundas which has been established over the past 100 years.
It's a perfect fit!
Edit:
Not to fear, the way you guys hate this building is nothing compared to the way people in France hated the Eiffel Tower when it was built....
( someone posted "big pile of garbage" a while back, that would have been a compliment in France in 1889 after Gustave finished his shit )
If anything, it's maintaing the character of Yonge and Dundas which has been established over the past 100 years.
It's a perfect fit!
Edit:
Not to fear, the way you guys hate this building is nothing compared to the way people in France hated the Eiffel Tower when it was built....
( someone posted "big pile of garbage" a while back, that would have been a compliment in France in 1889 after Gustave finished his shit )
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That is the prime reason why the city has a lot of blame. Had this been built as a private initiative, not as part of a city-led "revitalization" using expropriation and transfer to PenInequity, it would have been sad, with most blame directed at the developer. The city had the chance to call some of the shots, and blew it.
yyzer
Senior Member
LOL, you said it....how about real metal fans, set on a timer, which start to whirl at certain times, extend, shoot sparks, blow soap bubbles, whatever...would scare the living bejesus out of people in the square...
//just kiddin'
Blixtein
Active Member
Hopefully we'll see something else built there in our lifetime. Then again, maybe not.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
yyz:
As tacky as that would be, I think it would do far more to animate the square than a Trivision - at least it sounded fun (for kids esp.). Garbage can cover turned "fans" isn't.
Like honestly, the whole scheme was a bit misguided to start off with - instead of building a mall of a limited height (and limited financial viability, by itself), the city should have looked into a seriously multiuse complex for more or less the entire block south of Gould (except the heritage building at Yonge/Gould - and if the architecture is of high enough quality, even that can go). Tear down the Ryerson parking garage, HMV, etc - and have a strong, coherent podium structure that is slightly lower on the Victoria side, and tapers down northward, while a tower element (hotel/residential/office) can stand directly at the corner of Yonge and Dundas. It would have been a far better use of such a prime site - and likely more profitable. I don't know who came up with the current scheme, but it stinks of ye Olde Towne Toronto esp. on the Yonge facade - frankly, there is nothing worth being contextual over south of Sam's. Like think of a podium structure like 1BE, with a tower perhaps angled like Citygate - except the Yonge/Dundas facade can be devoted to a full height video screen or something on that order.
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As tacky as that would be, I think it would do far more to animate the square than a Trivision - at least it sounded fun (for kids esp.). Garbage can cover turned "fans" isn't.
Like honestly, the whole scheme was a bit misguided to start off with - instead of building a mall of a limited height (and limited financial viability, by itself), the city should have looked into a seriously multiuse complex for more or less the entire block south of Gould (except the heritage building at Yonge/Gould - and if the architecture is of high enough quality, even that can go). Tear down the Ryerson parking garage, HMV, etc - and have a strong, coherent podium structure that is slightly lower on the Victoria side, and tapers down northward, while a tower element (hotel/residential/office) can stand directly at the corner of Yonge and Dundas. It would have been a far better use of such a prime site - and likely more profitable. I don't know who came up with the current scheme, but it stinks of ye Olde Towne Toronto esp. on the Yonge facade - frankly, there is nothing worth being contextual over south of Sam's. Like think of a podium structure like 1BE, with a tower perhaps angled like Citygate - except the Yonge/Dundas facade can be devoted to a full height video screen or something on that order.
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Softee
Active Member
In his article, Hume was complaining about the exposed ducts and whatnot, but he obviously didn't even know that they were yet to be covered up by more signage, maybe he should have waited until the building was complete before he started moaning and groaning about certain aspects of it.