Roads: Ontario/GTA Highways Discussion

[Johnny Au]

There should be room for a potential interchange with the Kirby Freeway (aka the GTA West corridor) as well.

 

[Leo_Chan]

There should be room for a potential interchange with the Kirby Freeway (aka the GTA West corridor) as well.

It's not just potential, it WILL happen. That is, if Highway 413 gets built anyways.

My question is, why plan for the Bradford Bypass north of Newmarket, and not continue Highway 413 to Highway 404 (or both )?

 

[BurlOak]

It's not just potential, it WILL happen. That is, if Highway 413 gets built anyways.

My question is, why plan for the Bradford Bypass north of Newmarket, and not continue Highway 413 to Highway 404 (or both )?

It would have to go south of King City and then squeeze between Richmond Hill and Oak Ridges. Likely would have been easier 20 years ago.

 

[Leo_Chan]

It would have to go south of King City and then squeeze between Richmond Hill and Oak Ridges. Likely would have been easier 20 years ago.

Being out the wrecking ball!

Jk

 

[Steve X]

It would have to go south of King City and then squeeze between Richmond Hill and Oak Ridges. Likely would have been easier 20 years ago.

And that will go through the Oak Ridges Moraine, a huge NO NO NO. Highway 413 can't go past the 400 without seeing a ton of opposition.

It might be a little past out time. There was a large protest 15-20 years about about home development and logging away the forestation in the area. It was all over the news. The Ontario government later made a commitment to protect that area. An act was passed to protect the area.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/moraine-development-draws-protest-1.172881
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...tect-90-of-oak-ridges-moraine/article4155852/
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/01o31

No one dares to propose a highway through the area. If MTO did, that government won't be reelected. It would had been more difficult 20 years ago when those same protesters would have lynched you! Then don't want a road and you give them a highway?

 

[Leo_Chan]

And that will go through the Oak Ridges Moraine, a huge NO NO NO. Highway 413 can't go past the 400 without seeing a ton of opposition.

It might be a little past out time. There was a large protest 15-20 years about about home development and logging away the forestation in the area. It was all over the news. The Ontario government later made a commitment to protect that area. An act was passed to protect the area.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/moraine-development-draws-protest-1.172881
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...tect-90-of-oak-ridges-moraine/article4155852/
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/01o31

No one dares to propose a highway through the area. If MTO did, that government won't be reelected. It would had been more difficult 20 years ago when those same protesters would have lynched you! Then don't want a road and you give them a highway?

If votes were not an issue and the neither was the environment, would the highway alignment there be a good idea? I would say is a good idea to keep the "Ring Roads" to be a uniform distance apart for the whole length.

 

[gweed123]

There should be room for a potential interchange with the Kirby Freeway (aka the GTA West corridor) as well.

I don't think the 413 will happen anytime soon, but I could see the 427 extension curve eastward along that 413 alignment and connect to the 400. For many people in the western GTHA, that would become the preferred route to cottage country, completely avoiding the 401 (if you get to the 427 via the QEW).

 

[Leo_Chan]

Is there any chance that Hwy 413 will be tolled?

 

[innsertnamehere]

my understanding was that it was considered likely to be tolled given its high construction costs.

 

[BurlOak]

And that will go through the Oak Ridges Moraine, a huge NO NO NO. Highway 413 can't go past the 400 without seeing a ton of opposition.

It might be a little past out time. There was a large protest 15-20 years about about home development and logging away the forestation in the area. It was all over the news. The Ontario government later made a commitment to protect that area. An act was passed to protect the area.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/moraine-development-draws-protest-1.172881
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...tect-90-of-oak-ridges-moraine/article4155852/
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/01o31

No one dares to propose a highway through the area. If MTO did, that government won't be reelected. It would had been more difficult 20 years ago when those same protesters would have lynched you! Then don't want a road and you give them a highway?

I'm not so sure. I'm going back to the 1980's, but I think Oak Ridges was not really an elegant town, and there was basically nothing within a kilometer of King-Vaughan Road (or Jefferson or Stoufville side road).

If votes were not an issue and the neither was the environment, would the highway alignment there be a good idea? I would say is a good idea to keep the "Ring Roads" to be a uniform distance apart for the whole length.

Yes, I agree. And especially here where aside from this gap between Richmond Hill and Oak Ridges, there are no gaps until well north of Newmarket to punch through the highway - essentially where the Bradford By-Pass highway would be which is almost 30km to the north.

 

[Leo_Chan]

I'm not so sure. I'm going back to the 1980's, but I think Oak Ridges was not really an elegant town, and there was basically nothing within a kilometer of King-Vaughan Road (or Jefferson or Stoufville side road).

Yes, I agree. And especially here where aside from this gap between Richmond Hill and Oak Ridges, there are no gaps until well north of Newmarket to punch through the highway - essentially where the Bradford By-Pass highway would be which is almost 30km to the north.

30 km north of Hwy 407?

 

[Woodbridge_Heights]

I don't think the 413 will happen anytime soon, but I could see the 427 extension curve eastward along that 413 alignment and connect to the 400. For many people in the western GTHA, that would become the preferred route to cottage country, completely avoiding the 401 (if you get to the 427 via the QEW).

Ugh! This is the plan, and NO!

hwy 400 is congested enough as it is with commuters from Barrie (note local traffic within stretch through Barrie alone is pretty bad) that there is no point in dumping more traffic onto it. IF we are extending the 427 North through the moraine, I see no reason why it can't continue North to some point, say near stayner, and serve the recreational traffic heading to Wasaga, Collingwood, etc.

Sit anywhere along the 400 at the end of a long weekend and look at the parking lot of cars coming back into the city.

 

[ShonTron]

For Barrie, I've long drawn maps that takes a new four-lane Highway 26 from somewhere north of Innisfil Beach Road, to just west of the old Highway 131. North of Highway 90, it could connect to an upgraded George Johnson Road, connecting to Highway 26 at Minesing. Through Barrie, there's not much room for widening (you might be able to fit one more lane in each direction), but you'd be able to deal with the backup at Bayfield Road.

 

[BurlOak]

For Barrie, I've long drawn maps that takes a new four-lane Highway 26 from somewhere north of Innisfil Beach Road, to just west of the old Highway 131. North of Highway 90, it could connect to an upgraded George Johnson Road, connecting to Highway 26 at Minesing. Through Barrie, there's not much room for widening (you might be able to fit one more lane in each direction), but you'd be able to deal with the backup at Bayfield Road.

This?

Essentially following the hydro corridor about 3km west of highway 27 (10km west of hwy. 400). At (just north 0f) highway 90, this turns NE by 30 degrees and hits highway 400 at (just south of) highway 93.

 

[ShonTron]

No! The Highway 26 bypass would be much simpler, and could merge into a widened Highway 400. Ideally, two new reversible express HOV/HOT lanes in the middle.

I would rather see a wider 400 than a new highway or a long 427 extension.