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Kitchener to Toronto train service & the tech sector

For that workforce demographic, a quiet wifi equipped coach with table seats might be a really productive office, at least for part of the day...

- Paul
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...t-a-real-solution-says-stephen-lake-1.3324308

Thalmic CEO seems to want to hire or retain more people who live in Toronto (as do other Waterloo tech companies I'd assume).

Is it even viable though? Say they cut commute time to 1.5 hour from Union. That plus the amount of time to get to the train station is still a really long commute.

With several growing tech companies getting to the > 100 employee mark in downtown Toronto, I'd think the talent that lives here would always choose a Toronto based job over a long commute to KW.

Speaking of Toronto tech offices near Spadina (the article above), start-up open house happened recently and some offices are breathtakingly beautiful. One recently IPO'd Canadian tech company in particular..

A lot these startup companies might just get a small van to pick-up employees from the train station at certain times. Or maybe a shuttle service pooled between a few companies could do the job. I think the hassle is really just getting to Waterloo on the 401 during peak hours.
 
Half the time the hassle is just getting to Winston Churchill and 401; after that it's normally clear sailing.
 
Is it even viable though? Say they cut commute time to 1.5 hour from Union. That plus the amount of time to get to the train station is still a really long commute.

The max I'd commute is 45-60 mins. Which I would imagine is difficult the further out you get from Union station.
 
The max I'd commute is 45-60 mins. Which I would imagine is difficult the further out you get from Union station.
This could be possible with high speed GO trains.

I'm observing a Long March towards this.
-- Georgetown Corridor project
-- LRT & densification in Kitchener-Waterloo
-- Electrification will begin in this corridor and potentially creep outwards to Kitchener
-- Progress forward on the Ontario high speed EA study.

At this pace, we could have high speed GO trains by 2030s-2040s. Just like France's commuter TGVs. They use them like GO trains over there.
 
Don't forget; driving in KW right now on 401 is horrible. The stretch between 8 and Franklin is being expanded from 3 to 5 lanes. I sit in that for a good 10-15 minutes every day on my commute between Kitchener and Cambridge. So add a bit of time for that, too!
 
Any updates on better scheduled train service Union to Kitchener? Surely now that Google is open in Kitchener there must be pressure to better connect Toronto to KW?

I travel to Baden several times a month, and it would be great to grab a 6:30am train, arrive at Kitchener by 7:45, then Uber to Baden. So.... much better than the 401. Sometimes it's taking me 2.5 hours to get home.
 
Any updates on better scheduled train service Union to Kitchener? Surely now that Google is open in Kitchener there must be pressure to better connect Toronto to KW?
I travel to Baden several times a month, and it would be great to grab a 6:30am train, arrive at Kitchener by 7:45, then Uber to Baden. So.... much better than the 401. Sometimes it's taking me 2.5 hours to get home.

We're talking years, and more years, before we will see that. I hope it happens, it is already overdue - but so far it's all promises and sweet-nothing in the way of shovels in the ground.

- Paul
 
We're talking years, and more years, before we will see that. I hope it happens, it is already overdue - but so far it's all promises and sweet-nothing in the way of shovels in the ground.
I agree it's years away, but it's not such a massive project. VIA already has the trains, track and stations. The project would thus entail installing double tracks between Oakville and London (needed in order to clear CN freight train traffic). AIUI, that's all that's needed.

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This article, updated in June 2015, describes the need to double the track to make mroe frequent Kitchener traffic possible, http://transit.toronto.on.ca/regional/2102.shtml
 
Any updates on better scheduled train service Union to Kitchener? Surely now that Google is open in Kitchener there must be pressure to better connect Toronto to KW?

No updates. The GO Transit facility on Shirley Ave is under construction with the train portion completed this year - to enable an additional 2 "peak direction" trains from Kitchener to Toronto in the morning and back in the afternoon. As of only a few months ago the rail line is finally signalized - it was dark territory before that.

There is a lot of pressure from the KW tech sector and from local politicians for two-way GO service, so it is is definitely on the radar of the province, but what specifically they're doing about it is not clear. Here's the latest quotes from MPP Daiene Vernile about better GO service between Kitchener and Toronto.
 
I agree it's years away, but it's not such a massive project. VIA already has the trains, track and stations. The project would thus entail installing double tracks between Oakville and London (needed in order to clear CN freight train traffic).
How does that impact service to KW?
 
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Although far from a perfect solution, GO could probably get every-two-hour service going to Kitchener by fall of 2017, if they started now. The key requirements would be some added passing siding capacity west of Georgetown. The medium term improvements would have to be: a pocket track at Mount Pleasant (allowing the hourly GO trains to leave the main line), third track from Mount Pleasant to Georgetown, and some double tracking to Kitchener (there is already an EA for this, IIRC). To reach full 2WAD, triple tracking through Brampton and a flyunder west of Brampton would be needed.

- Paul
 

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