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They also recently had an RFP on the market to study options for open fare payment systems...I guess they're not enamored by PRESTO?
They also recently had an RFP on the market to study options for open fare payment systems...I guess they're not enamored by PRESTO?
That was something else I didn't understand. A few years ago, Guelph decided to switch from plastic travel passes to ones that required people to swipe them through a machine when entering the bus. Now, I get that PRESTO has its issues but Guelph had just gotten returned GO train service and we've been getting progressively closer to Toronto for years now. Why not just bite the bullet and get PRESTO? And, if I'm understanding you right, we're switching systems again and we still don't use PRESTO, I'd be dumbfounded. It just makes sense to use it at this point imo
http://guelph.ca/living/getting-around/bus/fares-and-passes/monthly-swipe-pass-program/Monthly swipe pass program
Guelph Transit’s monthly swipe bus pass is a plastic card, similar to a credit card. Currently only Adult, Youth and Senior monthly passes are swipe passes. The swipe pass will require that you swipe your monthly bus pass through the card reader on the fare box.
If you are not able to swipe your pass through the card reader as a result of your disability, please show your valid monthly pass to the driver when you board the bus so that they can visually verify your pass.
Guelph Transit Specialty Passes, which include the War Veteran Pass, Retiree Pass, Day Pass, PAL Card, University of Guelph Student Identification Card, and the City of Guelph Employee Annual Pass, are not swipe passes. Please continue to show to the driver your specialty pass when boarding the bus for visual verification.
Please remember print your name and phone number on the back of your monthly swipe pass. If you lose your pass and it is returned to Guelph Transit, we will contact you using this information.
Swipe your bus pass in the fare box with the magnetic stripe facing you. The swipe pass must be swiped from right to left.
I found reference to jcam's RFP, had it on my taskbar, but erased it by accident, I'll find and post it again, it's a precursor to the announcement above, and for more than just cards, or Guelph, an entire string of municipalities is on the list.$19.4 million to be invested in Guelph Transit infrastructure
News release from Lloyd Longfield,
Member of Parliament for Guelph
March 31, 2017, Guelph, Ontario – The governments of Canada and Ontario are making investments to create jobs and grow the middle class while building a foundation for a strong, sustainable economic future. Investing in public infrastructure supports efficient and affordable transit services that help Canadians safely get to and from work, school and other activities on time.
MP Lloyd Longfield, on behalf of the Honourable Amarjeet Sohi, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities, announced today that the City of Guelph’s new public transit project has been approved.
Part of the City of Guelph’s transit funding will include $9,681,491 from the Federal Government which will be matched by the City of Guelph. Guelph will benefit from the following projects:
These projects are part of a list of 312 projects announced across Ontario on March 31, 2017, under the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund (PTIF). The federal government is providing 50 per cent of funding for these projects and the provincial government and municipalities will provide the balance of funding.
- $7,370,770 for Transit Bus Replacement: including 24 conventional buses and 9 specialized vehicles;
- $1,300,000 for replacing fare boxes on all buses to improve efficiency, reduce potential for fraud and missed fares, and automate validation of student passes (U-pass) and transfers;
- $363,221 to upgrade 132 bus stops to ensure multi-route stops have shelters and, where possible, all stops are accessible;
- $147,500 for developing a Transportation Master Plan for Guelph that addresses all modes of transportation including transit, vehicular transportation, active transportation and trails;
- $500,000 for upgrading the traffic signal control system that coordinates traffic signals along major streets. This involves replacing two outdated systems with a new system that will reduce traffic congestion and delays and enable transit signal priority.
Also on March 31, Prime Minister Trudeau acknowledged the importance of public transit to Canadians, as stated in Budget 2017, by announcing federal funding for major GO Transit Regional Express Rail projects across the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area.
This investment is part of an agreement between Canada and Ontario for the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund.
Quotes
“Efficient and sustainable public transit plays an important role in keeping our communities among the best places in the world to live while supporting the middle class and those working hard to join it. By working with our provincial and municipal partners, the Government of Canada will deliver real support through projects like this which will improve the efficiency, accessibility and develop a master transportation plan for the residents of Guelph.”
-Lloyd Longfield
Member of Parliament for Guelph
“I am pleased to have a federal partner that shares our commitment to investing in modern, accessible public transit. These upgrades to our transit system will benefit our entire community and improve riders’ experience for a more comfortable and efficient daily commute.”
-Liz Sandals
Member of Provincial Parliament for Guelph
“I want to thank the Government of Canada for this funding, which represents a major investment in the future of Guelph’s transit system. New buses, bus shelters, fare boxes, and signal controls will all improve the customer experience – while boosting operational efficiency at the same time. This is a big day for Guelph Transit and for the City of Guelph.”
-Mayor Cam Guthrie
Mayor of Guelph
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Quick Facts
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- This funding is part of the first phase of Investing in Canada, the Government of Canada’s historic plan to support public infrastructure across the country.
- The Government of Canada will provide more than $180 billion in infrastructure funding over 12 years for public transit, green infrastructure, social infrastructure, transportation that supports trade, and Canada’s rural and northern communities.
If not Presto, at least go with Waterloo Region's system they're starting up.
http://guelph.ca/living/getting-aro...ph-transit-and-go-transit-fare-integration-2/
http://www.grt.ca/en/fares/EasyGO-FAQ.asp8. Why wasn't Presto selected?
Presto could not be selected because they did not respond to a Request for Proposals, which is a Regional requirement. Also, Presto could not provide many of the functionalities that the Region deemed essential for our system including the ability to accept payment on MobilityPLUS vehicles, the ability to integrate a U-Pass program and the ability to issue machine readable paper tickets from Ticket Vending Machines. Having our own system allows us to ensure our fare products meet our unique customer needs.
https://www.guelphmercury.com/news-...k-on-proposed-new-routes-and-transfer-points/Guelph Transit seeking feedback on proposed new routes and transfer points
Goodbye spoke-and-hub; hello grid
News Mar 12, 2015 by Joanne Shuttleworth Guelph Mercury
GUELPH — Guelph Transit is considering adding a perimeter route, express routes and transfer points in an effort to make the system more efficient for riders and more cost-efficient for taxpayers.
Phil Meagher, general manager of Guelph Transit, said he's been working on the new plan ever since he joined the city 18 months ago.
This plan was supplemented with information gathered through two transit surveys — one on origins and destinations and the other on customer service.
"When I got here, I could see the inefficiencies in the routes," Meagher said in a phone interview Thursday afternoon. "We had to think about what makes sense."
The current system uses a hub-and-spoke model — that is, all buses come to Central Station downtown and that's where riders can transfer to other routes.
At one time, that was sufficient, Meagher said, but not in a growing city. And not in a city that wants to grow its transit ridership.
Meagher offered the example of a senior living near Grange and Watson roads wanting to get to the legion by bus. Right now, that senior would take the No. 14 Grange to Central Station and then transfer to the No. 4 York and exit at Watson and York.
"That would take 40 minutes and you'd have to go out of your way to get where you're going. There are a lot of situations like that," Meagher said. "As we grow transit, we have to get away from the spoke and hub."
The new system is proposing several new routes:
• Mainline: a north-south route along Gordon/Norfolk/Woolwich from Clair Road in the south to Woodlawn Road in the north. This route will have buses every 10 minutes during peak hours.
[...]
Meagher said there is no money in the capital budget for bus shelters, but Metrolinx has agreed to foot the bill for 18 new bus shelters on Gordon Street and York Road at stops the GO bus shares with Guelph Transit. The old shelters, where they exist, will be moved to new locations.
Meagher said connecting Guelph Transit with Grand River Transit is on the radar, "but the No. 1 priority is to fix this (the routes) first," he said.
https://borgra.wordpress.com/2007/03/15/georgetown-transit-doesnt-existbut-why/Georgetown Transit Doesn’t Exist…But Why?
Posted by borgra on March 15, 2007
In Georgetown, Ontario there is no local transit. Asking around why I was surprised at the response. Not by just one or two individuals but by at least 10 people.
They say there is no transit there not because the city is small(I’m told population is 40,000. That’s small?)that the people(or is it city councillors?)of Georgetown don’t want certain races there.
Meaning without transit(you have no chocie but to take GO Transit if you don’t own a vehicle) some people from other cultures won’t go there and the occasional person from certain groups is okay.
If only one or two people would’ve said that I wouldn’t have thought anything other than that person themselves is racist. But 10 people say the same thing, that’s scary, considering this is the 21st Century.
If you live in Georgetown, Ontario can someone please tell me why so many people from Georgetown are saying the exact same thing?
Wolfe: You nailed it. I was beating around the bush since I was concerned the point would be misunderstood. I spent five years there, and many pleasant things happened, but being an urban type, I always suffered from claustrophobia. It's not the size of the place (130,000) it's the mindset. The best analogy is to be had from Georgetown, been well written about, and Georgetown is to Brampton as Guelph is to K/W "We're different than them".
Case in point:
https://borgra.wordpress.com/2007/03/15/georgetown-transit-doesnt-existbut-why/
Be sure to read the answers to this.
Guelph *does* have transit, but it's for the 'poor cousins', if indeed they are related at all. In many respects, during my five years in Guelph, the beefs the locals were expressing in the Mercury (which had excellent forums, if Guelph excelled in any respect, it was the Merc) and more often than not, I'd respond to "we're not getting good value for our civic tax money" with "then consider joining Waterloo Region *in whole or in part* (the Muni Act details this, and states only the need to be "adjacent" not actually sharing a border)(prime example is the Police Service, and again, in whole or in part, this is allowed under the Police Services Act, which can save huge amounts of money and delivery a much better quality of service, esp as an alternative to retaining the OPP to do it as an expensive option). Transit is an obvious one too.
But Guelphites would rather bitch and spite others rather than 'demean themselves' by association with someone lesser, even if it slashed their civic costs by close to half. Oddly, this applies to both sides of the political spectrum. There's also a love-hate relationship with the University, the cash-cow that drives their standard of living. You can rent hovels to students that Charles Dickens characters would refuse to live in.
Nuff said for now, there are folks in Guelph who 'get this', but that's because they're on the margin, and not necessarily poor, just aware.
Incredibly good links!SteveinToronto...May I suggest you read up on what Mike Spicer...
https://www.guelphtoday.com/columns...-think-of-the-bus-as-the-loser-cruiser-575916
Paul Lalonde ·
Managing Director at Newsy Communications
When I moved to Guelph from Toronto last year I promised myself that I wouldn't become a car person. I failed. I've been 100% car person since the moment I got here.
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Paul Lalonde ·
Managing Director at Newsy Communications
Years ago when I was a civil servant at the Ontario government we urged municipalities to build their transit systems. Most municipalities responded that it was a nice idea, but even with a moderate increase in usage they would still be a 95% "car community," so that money was better spent investing in stuff like roads, sports and community centres.
I'd forgotten that there's a string for Guelph Transit. Mayor Cam Guthrie's blog which I'm subscribed to mentioned the above in glowing terms:
New post on Mayor Cam Guthrie
We Heard You #Guelph! So We’re Changing @GuelphTransit!
by Cam Guthrie
Guelph Transit is changing to get you on board!
New routes!
Special fares!
Improved customer service!
Guelph, Ont., May 26, 2017 – Guelph Transit is excited to announce a number of new and exciting initiatives!
“Guelph Transit continually is looking for opportunities to provide our customers with the very best in customer service, customer amenities and community engagement,” says Mike Spicer, general manager for Guelph Transit. “Our goal is to provide the very best service where and when you need us most, and help you get to the places and events that matter to you. These latest changes are designed to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of our service, and encourage our community to make transit one of the ways of travelling in Guelph!”
Mobility service improvements
Effective Thursday, June 1, residents who are eligible for Mobility Service will have a new option to receive automated telephone calls that will provide a reminder for their pre-booked trip.
Look for an information letter that Guelph Transit will send out to all registered Mobility customers in the next few weeks explaining the new service and asking customers if they would like to opt-in for this great new service.
“One of the benefits of this service is the option to receive an automated call 15 minutes prior to your scheduled pick-up,” explains Spicer. “If the bus is running a bit head or behind schedule the 15 minute call ensures that customers have the time needed to be ready before the bus arrives.”
Other automated calls include trip confirmation (received after a trip is booked through the mobility office) and one day prior notification (a call one day prior to your scheduled pick-up).
September route changes
As a result of the community outreach and feedback received in April on the proposed September route realignment, Guelph Transit made several adjustments to the overall transit system. These changes, along with all proposed routes, will be presented to the City’s Committee of the Whole on June 6.
The route realignment will help alleviate some of the concerns faced by the current system: nearly empty buses in some areas, overloaded buses in other areas, and buses running chronically behind schedule on several routes. It will also strengthen Guelph Transit by putting buses where and when they are needed most to carry passengers.
“We know that the changes coming in September will not make it better for everyone,” says Spicer. “But it is a start to ensure that our base level service is consistent and reliable. Our goal is to continue to improve the customer experience and provide the citizens of Guelph with an affordable, efficient and reliable service that provides value to the community.”
Proposed Special Event Fare
Staff will present a report to the City’s Committee of the Whole on June 6, that will propose a new special event fare program to encourage residents to take the bus when attending a ticketed event at the River Run Centre or Sleeman Centre, including all Guelph Storm home games.
The proposed fare for this program is $1 cash only, valid on conventional and mobility service. Monthly passes will not be reduced as a result of the program, and all other fares programs would continue to be valid. If approved, the special event fare would start this September.
Guelph Transit is well positioned to offer this service to event goers as buses connect at Guelph Central Station, providing service within walking distance to the River Run Centre and Sleeman Centre, and downtown restaurants and shops.
Clean Air Day
Clean Air Day is national program held on the first Wednesday in June to raise community awareness and encourage positive actions relating to clean air and climate change. The City has supported this program since 2001 through various initiatives such as free transit.
Residents who normally take a vehicle to get around Guelph are encouraged to ride Guelph Transit for free on Wednesday, June 7.
City staff will be at Guelph Central Station from 8 a.m. until noon providing information about sustainability and transportation. Staff will also share information about the transit system, bike racks and the accessibility features of conventional transit.
For more information, visit guelphtransit.ca.
For more information:
Mike Spicer, General Manager
Guelph Transit
519-822-1260 extension 3321
mike.spicer@guelph.ca
The real change of note for a system I found very frustrating and inefficient is the 99 route. That was what was being promoted in various forms by the last two Bus Managers, along with artics to run it. It would be akin to a subway spine with other routes leading into it, not following it to Guelph Central, which is still an incredibly inefficient way of doing things. It's still hub and spoke, albeit with a spine added. For a city of over 130,000, it's a small town system. And will be for the for-see-able future at this rate.Well it is a news release so of course it'll be spun that way.