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GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx

The bi-levels, even with electric locos with double the tractive effort are unable to perform at the level necessary for RER mixed with non-stopping traffic.

Metrolinx themselves have detailed this in their own reports. But from Neptis, an overview independent from Metrolinx or the Politician of Your Choice:
The Flaw in the Electrification Study Methodology
The GO electrification study team, in its own words, set out to be “objective, comprehensive, inclusive, and evidence-based.”[1] We have no reason to suggest they were not objective, and the work they present is “evidence-based.” However, the study was far from comprehensive, and did not test some of the most promising electrification scenarios.

The flaw in the methodology was the failure to recognize that new technology does not simply replace older technology; it can have more far-reaching effects. It usually makes little sense to buy a new technology, with new features, and then use it more or less exactly the same way as the old technology. GO did recognize that electric trains have faster acceleration, but the study ignored the potential to operate smaller, more frequent trains in the off-peak. It assumed that GO would run only one type of train on all routes. It also assumed that the existing fleet would be replaced all at once, and did not consider staged migration strategies that would require less capital investment up front.
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There are many suitable examples to draw on for such a study. Most commuter rail lines in Western Europe, Asia and Australia have been electrified over the past half century. In most cases, the railway company can show a good business case, with the capital cost of electrification offset by increased passenger revenues and reduced operating costs. However, simply electrifying an existing route, without any other changes to the operating plan (train configurations, service frequencies, and fares), rarely appears worthwhile.

Normally, electrification is justified because it allows faster and more frequent services, often using smaller trains for at least some services, at a cost that is offset by incremental revenues. Initial rolling stock capital costs are often kept down by using a mix of electric multiple units and electric locomotives, so existing cars can be retained to provide peak capacity. Sometimes, reductions in peak journey times are matched by fare increases.

The GO study ignored this experience. It could, more accurately, be described as a comprehensive study of the benefits of using electric locomotives to replace diesel locomotives.

The study therefore did not consider the following combination:

  • partial conversion to EMUs, with continued use of bi-level trains, with electric locomotives, as the “heavy lifters” for the morning and evening peaks;
  • operation of shorter trains at higher frequencies in off-peak hours, which is possible with EMUs at much lower cost than with the existing GO trains.
These changes would allow GO to take advantage of the capabilities of EMUs to operate a faster and more frequent service for non-peak passengers, where demand is more time-sensitive, while avoiding the capital cost of replacing the large fleet required to carry peak passengers.

GO’s Rolling Stock Technology review does note “It is believed that a 25 kV, European-derived multi-level EMU may be a feasible and commercially viable alternative for Metrolinx’s consideration.”[2] It seems some members of the study team recognized there might be some promising scenarios that had not been considered. But this idea was never pursued.

Multiple Units are trains formed of two or more cars, each with its own motor. They can be single- or double-deck, and either electric (EMUs) or diesel (DMUs). They are about 25% to 40% more expensive to purchase than ordinary locomotives plus unpowered rail cars, but they have many advantages for intensive urban rail services.

  • With power distributed to all the cars and all the wheels, EMUs and DMUs can accelerate and brake faster than unpowered cars pulled (or pushed) by a locomotive. On a typical GO route with 10 station stops, the total time saving can be 5 minutes or more. This may not sound like much, but a saving of 5 minutes, each way, or 10 minutes per day, can attract commuters to choose rail over driving.
  • With faster acceleration, fewer trains and fewer train crews are required to provide the same capacity. Faster trains are more productive, reducing unit operating costs.
  • Because power is distributed to each car, train lengths can be varied to match demand. GO’s existing service with 10-car trains propelled by diesel locomotives is efficient only if there are at least 1,000 passengers to fill each train. In rush hour, this is easy, but during the middle of the day, loads are typically 500 passengers per hour or fewer. With shorter EMUs, GO can operate more frequent trains for the same cost, attracting more passengers.
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In Europe and in Australia, EMUs[3] are routinely used on suburban rail routes (see Figures 6 and 7). Most operators vary train lengths between the peak and off-peak, to maintain a high frequency while avoiding the high costs of running empty trains. Trains have only one driver, who usually also controls the doors. Most European commuter rail operators use EMUs because, taking all these factors into account, they are cheaper than diesel locomotive-hauled trains. Many also still operate some push-pull trains, propelled by locomotives, to provide higher peak capacity.
  • [...continues ...]
As pointed out extensively prior, *GO is going P3!* This *is* the "spreadsheet" writ large.

You alluded to this yourself in a recent post. It's going to be up to the *Investor/Operator/Builder* as to what mode they choose, something Verster himself constantly makes clear.

Addendum: GO's own study, one of many, four years ago (and things have advanced since then)

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Maybe not, but regardless of which party gets in.... eventually someone (likely the new Transport Minister) will eventually have the financials presented to them. And, with sweat forming on their brow, they will ask, “OK, but what’s the cheapest way of making this happen?”

25 locos x $8M versus 150 EMU’s x $3M..... simple math.

There’s no doubt that ML will end up with EMU’s - but as noted above, they will arrive at whatever rate the current bilevels reach end of life, and only until the right balance of EMU versus bilevels is reached. All this EMU craving is just foamer enthusiasts emoting towards their personal erotic fantasy.

The spreadsheet will prevail.

- Paul
So if they are building the smarttrack stations on the Stouffville line, they will have to get EMUs, technically speaking.
 
UPx is exactly what RER will be for the two non-airport stations it serves. 15 minute DMU (well, RER will be EMU, but close enough) service that quickly transports passengers downtown.

The amount of people using the UPx to travel to Bloor and especially Weston is already fairly significant - and that is at GO's current $5 pricing structure. $3 fares and far more stations around town will really change how people access the city.

Remember, the UPX currently only sees about 10K passengers on an average day, and ~75% of those are going to the airport, leaving about 2,500 passengers for all other trips. I'd say more people are coming in for Weston, so I'd put Bloor to Union at maybe 1000 PPD, which is lower than any subway/RT station in the system. For what we want it to be, it's not adequate, but a lot of policies haven't been implemented yet that will most certainly grow ridership.

Maybe not, but regardless of which party gets in.... eventually someone (likely the new Transport Minister) will eventually have the financials presented to them. And, with sweat forming on their brow, they will ask, “OK, but what’s the cheapest way of making this happen?”

25 locos x $8M versus 150 EMU’s x $3M..... simple math.

There’s no doubt that ML will end up with EMU’s - but as noted above, they will arrive at whatever rate the current bilevels reach end of life, and only until the right balance of EMU versus bilevels is reached. All this EMU craving is just foamer enthusiasts emoting towards their personal erotic fantasy.

The spreadsheet will prevail.

- Paul

25 locos will not be enough to replace every other locomotive in the fleet (unless they want to run diesel services into Union, which I guarantee will be impossible with a rail deck park). We'll probably need about 12 Electric Locos (like the city sprinter) for Peak express Barrie, LSW, and LSE services alone.

As for all other services, it would be very unwise of Metrolinx to order anything other than Dual modes simply because of the idea of the Rail Deck Park and the fact that a lot of electrified infrastructure would be heavily underutilized.

We can assume that all RER operations will need EMUs, and since it's all basically in addition to existing services, this transition is no problem. The big issue is of platform height and how the GO bilevels will fit into all of this.

So if they are building the smarttrack stations on the Stouffville line, they will have to get EMUs, technically speaking.
Everything we currently classify as "RER" will need EMUs for local services. It's simply too expensive to buy EMUs for all services, especially peak express services.
 
RER / smart track (whatever you want to call it) wants to be a more local version which may be a tough sell to people in Toronto as they currently see the heavy rail lines as for commuters outside of the city and don't think to use them unless there is a problem with the subway also unless the TTC runs buses or has better ciont9ns ti the stations I don't see them getting much ridership from people inside of Toronto.
Plenty of people already seem to be getting on at Mimico and Long Branch in order to get to Exhibition and Union Station. And that's with only 1/2 hour service at those stations.

The potential is there if the fare system is structured differently and the frequency goes up.
 
Remember, the UPX currently only sees about 10K passengers on an average day, and ~75% of those are going to the airport, leaving about 2,500 passengers for all other trips. I'd say more people are coming in for Weston, so I'd put Bloor to Union at maybe 1000 PPD, which is lower than any subway/RT station in the system. For what we want it to be, it's not adequate, but a lot of policies haven't been implemented yet that will most certainly grow ridership.

The cost nor the number of trains are what is limiting Dundas West/Bloor RER. It's the connection. Once they finish the 2nd exit from Dundas West (right onto the Bloor platform) it will (1) create an indoor connection and (2) shave about 3-4 minutes off of the transfer. The transfer will be almost as easy as transferring at Yonge (if they do it right).

That's the limiting factor.

Also remember that without bus connection very few non-CBD subway stations will be that busy. Unless the TTC decides to utilize future RER stations as hubs for bus service they will never be that busy. And they won't...they are very projectionist about their turf.

A second limiting factor.
 
Plenty of people already seem to be getting on at Mimico and Long Branch in order to get to Exhibition and Union Station. And that's with only 1/2 hour service at those stations.

The potential is there if the fare system is structured differently and the frequency goes up.

And if the ‘last mile’ barrier is addressed. I love driving to Mimico to get to an evening event downtown.... by 3PM the parking lot is clearing out, its a very quick trip, and coming home I get off the GO and I’m home in five minutes. Other times of day it’s unworkable and the bus is a waste of time especially at night.

Still, that ridership is not enough to fill entire trains. Off peak, there are no dwell or load/unload issues today even with bilevels. Electric locos will improve acceleration/deceleration substantially, perhaps not as much as EMUs eventually will do.

I still disagree with this “gotta have leading edge today” mentality. It will be a bigger expense and all it delivers is bragging rights that we have the latest and best. We can match world class, but over time and incrementally. Why spend more then we have to in the meanwhile?

But then I’m still using iPhone 6, and will be until the damn thing breaks or slows to a crawl. I know people who line up overnight for the latest release. They text me from the line, and my old phone gets their messages just fine. We need to apply that mentality to transit.

- Paul
 
I still disagree with this “gotta have leading edge today” mentality. It will be a bigger expense and all it delivers is bragging rights that we have the latest and best. We can match world class, but over time and incrementally. Why spend more then we have to in the meanwhile?
Well I don't even have an iPhone, don't want one, a cell phone does me just fine but do want to get around a hell of a lot faster than one of the slowest commute cities in the developed world. So do many others. And so does Metrolinx, who've stated so many times in reports going back almost a decade.

"Leading edge"? EMUs, as pointed out in many studies, including the Neptis one posted above, have been in use in many cities for over fifty years. One only has to travel to New York or Chicago, or even Montreal to realize that.

Every fifteen minutes is *minimum* to be considered "frequent service" by international standards. But in Toronto, that's considered "leading edge"?

And as to the "expense"...when does the point sink in? If private investors via P3 want to make this happen, where's the problem? Government debt will increase somewhat in a P3 arrangement, but Good Heavens No...can't have that in the GTHA?

Crosstown is already doing it...but Montreal is way ahead:

Presentation
Once completed, the REM will be one of the largest automated transportation system in the world after Singapore, Dubai and Vancouver. For the metropolitan area, the REM also represents the largest public transportation infrastructure since the Montréal metro, inaugurated in 1966.

The solution proposed by CDPQ Infra will:

  • offer an integrated, efficient and reliable service
  • constitute Québec’s first “public-public” partnership project
  • build a new network of strategic importance for the Montreal metropolitan area and for Québec
  • foster environmentally sustainable transportation
Integrated, efficient and reliable service
As a single, integrated transportation network, the REM will offer a number of efficient travel options in the Greater Montréal area. The REM will be connected with bus networks, commuter trains (Mascouche and Saint-Hilaire lines) and with the Montréal metro (Blue, Green and Orange lines).

With frequent and reliable service – 20 hours a day, every day – the REM represents a new paradigm and significant time savings for commuters in the metropolitan region. The decision to use dedicated tracks will allow for quick and uninterrupted travel, and passengers will have Wi-Fi connectivity and access to live status updates.

Construction costs and benefits
The REM represents construction costs of approximately $6.3 billion.

Main financing sources
  • La Caisse: $2.95 billion
  • Gouvernment of Québec: $1.28 billion
  • Gouvernment of Canada: $1.28 billion
  • [...]
I'd like to be clear, REM has some *political* issues detailed in other forums, but *technically and financially*?

How can others do it but Toronto can't? Because we don't want to be "Leading Edge"? Perhaps we can use steam engines?

Addendum:
By JOHN SPEARSBusiness Reporter TorStar
Mon., March 29, 2010

Even gridlocked Los Angeles is a better place for commuters than Toronto and its neighbouring municipalities, says a study conducted for the Toronto Board of Trade.

It takes people in Greater Toronto an average of 80 minutes to commute to work, round trip, the study found.

That’s 24 minutes slower than Los Angeles, and the worst among 19 cities including New York, London, Chicago and Berlin.

While acknowledging that the measurements for some U.S. cities may be underestimated, the study called Toronto’s performance “embarrassing.” The figures blend commute times for both drivers and public transit users.

“Toronto’s commuting problems give rise to serious congestion issues,” the report notes.

At 76 minutes, Montreal wasn’t much better than Toronto. New York measured an average commute of 68 minutes, while first-place Barcelona reported an average commuting time of just 48 minutes.

Despite Toronto’s transportation problems, the Ontario government delayed $4 billion in expansion projects for transit lines in Toronto and York Region as part of last week’s provincial budget.
[...]
https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto...ranked_last_in_survey_of_commuting_times.html

Deja Vu...all over again. That was eight years ago, almost all the cities mentioned are a big leap farther ahead than then. London is about to fully open later this year (parts already are) of a mainline tunnel under the heart of London with trains every 2.5 minutes. Technically, they can run in just under 2 minute headways, and will later. Ten car trains now, twelve later. This isn't rocket science except to Toronto!

How's RER coming along?
 
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Well I don't even have an iPhone, don't want one, a cell phone does me just fine but do want to get around a hell of a lot faster than one of the slowest commute cities in the developed world. So do many others. And so does Metrolinx, who've stated so many times in reports going back almost a decade.

"Leading edge"? EMUs, as pointed out in many studies, including the Neptis one posted above, have been in use in many cities for over fifty years. One only has to travel to New York or Chicago, or even Montreal to realize that.

Every fifteen minutes is *minimum* to be considered "frequent service" by international standards. But in Toronto, that's considered "leading edge"?

And as to the "expense"...when does the point sink in? If private investors via P3 want to make this happen, where's the problem? Government debt will increase somewhat in a P3 arrangement, but Good Heavens No...can't have that in the GTHA?

Crosstown is already doing it...but Montreal is way ahead:


I'd like to be clear, REM has some *political* issues detailed in other forums, but *technically and financially*?

How can others do it but Toronto can't? Because we don't want to be "Leading Edge"? Perhaps we can use steam engines?

Addendum:

https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto...ranked_last_in_survey_of_commuting_times.html

Deja Vu...all over again. That was eight years ago, almost all the cities mentioned are a big leap farther ahead than then. London is about to fully open later this year (parts already are) of a mainline tunnel under the heart of London with trains every 2.5 minutes. Technically, they can run in just under 2 minute headways, and will later. Ten car trains now, twelve later. This isn't rocket science except to Toronto!

How's RER coming along?


I got told off by a forumer recently for expressing some of the opinions you just shared regarding GO's (lack of) electrification and EMUs, those both being worldwide standard for decades. Apparently, expressing a desire to move about the city quickly and efficiently without a car, using tried, tested and absolutely not leading-edge technology was perceived as insulting to the forefathers of the GO system, whom I suppose liked their coffee black, their locos diesel and their parking lots massive? Happy for the work that they did, but we do need to move well on. Classic dogmatism vs pragmatism right there in any case.

As an aside, I'm part of the NotFord camp and am willing to switch my vote to NDP if it means keeping the guy out of QP, but I noticed that the NDP's Keep Transit Public push seems to be a bit dogmatic as well. While it would be nice to not need P3, I believe we're unfortunately past the era of that many more publicly-owned, operated & maintained megaprojects. It's no longer considered normal to pay disadvantaged workers next to nothing to dig dangerous, flood-prone tunnels by hand, and expected build management and quality are both excellent and enormously expensive. What's a progressive, transit-loving voter who doesn't want to put up with daily 90 minute commutes to do? Or is there something else about Toronto, apart from governance, that keeps transit from keeping up?
 
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While it would be nice to not need P3, I believe we're unfortunately past the era of that many more publicly-owned megaprojects.
I can't see any way around it. It transcends what we'd 'like' to happen, and leaves us with the option of 'what's left when there's only empty promises and empty coffers to build what's necessary'. Metrolinx is wisely embracing a P3 model, there's very little choice

Oddly, I keep reading of commitments to fund electrification.
June 15, 2017 11:00 A.M.
Ministry of Transportation
[...]
Ontario is undertaking a $21.3 billion transformation of the GO network, which is the largest commuter rail project in Canada. The investment will deliver faster and more frequent service, create thousands of jobs and improve people's quality of life. Ontario is on track to electrify and expand the rail network, and bring more two-way, all-day service to commuters and families by increasing the number of weekly trips from about 1,500 to nearly 6,000 by 2025.

Making transit faster, more convenient and more sustainable is part of our plan to create jobs, grow our economy and help people in their everyday lives.
[...]
https://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2017...forward-to-electrify-the-go-rail-network.html

I have a number of Metrolinx and Transportation Min electrification reports open. Here's an excerpt from the most recent one:
[...]
GO Transit Electrification Study
May 2009, Metrolinx announced it would do a one-year study on the feasibility of electrification of the entire GO rail system. In comparison to other similar studies, this study was unique as it examined the entire GO rail system including the UP Express.

The study was completed in December 2010 and on January 19, 2011, Metrolinx released the findings of its comprehensive electrification study.

Upon review, it was recommended to the Metrolinx Board of Directors to proceed with the electrification of the GO Kitchener and Lakeshore corridors in phases, beginning with the UP Express on the Kitchener corridor.

At its Board meeting on January 26, 2011, the Metrolinx Board of Directors approved the staff recommendation, subject to provincial funding.

The Province of Ontario, through the Ministry of Transportation, has funded the environmental assessment for Phase 1: the Air Rail Link from Union Station to Pearson Airport as a first step toward electrification.

The study in its entirety can be found here: E-Study Final Report
[...]
http://www.metrolinx.com/en/electrification/electric.aspx

Here's another from last year:
[...]
Quotes:

“Work is well underway as we build a better, integrated and seamless transit network across the GTHA. Today's announcement is a major milestone in the delivery of all-day two-way electrified train service, more station stops and more service to get commuters where they need to be sooner.”
Kathryn McGarry, Minister of Transportation

“Ontario continues to place a priority on creating better travel choices for commuters, and on increased transit ridership, shorter journey times and less congestion across the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area. GO RER will make service on the GO Transit Rail network faster and more frequent, making commuting easier and raising quality of life for Ontarians.”
Bob Chiarelli, Minister of Infrastructure

“This is a momentous time as we get set to quadruple weekly train trips, electrify the network and connect the people of our region to where they want to go better, faster and easier. We are eager to engage with a field of world-class partners for this new chapter of unprecedented transit building that will set our region up for success for generations to come.”
Phil Verster, President and CEO, Metrolinx

“IO is pleased to begin procurement on this important, once in a generation project. We look forward to a robust, competitive procurement process that will bring together the very best companies from Ontario, Canada and abroad focused on delivering the results we need.”
Ehren Cory, President and CEO, Infrastructure Ontario
[...]
https://news.ontario.ca/mto/en/2017...forward-to-electrify-the-go-rail-network.html

There's no shortage of these grandiose claims in reports and just flat-out propaganda spiels.

From the Feds: (As reported in the UT)(pics deleted to conserve text character count)
Trudeau Announces $1.8 Billion of Funding for GO RER
March 31, 2017 11:55 am | by Stefan Novakovic | 7 Comments
Arriving at Etobicoke's Williwbrook GO yard by train, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne chose a purposeful location to announce funding for transit in the Greater Toronto Area, with a Federal investment of slightly over $1.8 billion earmarked towards GO Transit's Regional Express Rail.

Drawing from the New Building Canada Fund established in 2014, the contribution to GO RER represents the "the single largest transit project in which the federal government has ever invested‎," according to the PMO. The new Federal funding contributes to what the Province cites as a "$21.3 billion transformation of the GO network."

Alongside $7.8 billion worth of improvements to the existing network and extensions of regular train service to Niagara and Bowmanville, the lion's share of the ongoing GO network investment—totalling some $13.5 billion—will go towards the implementation of GO RER.

The new Federal funding specifically targets the GO RER project, with the investment set to be geared to help "build new track, upgrade stations and create grade separations along the Kitchener, Barrie and Lakeshore corridors," according to the Province.

In total, the GO RER project will add 12 new stations and all-day express service to parts of the regional network, with five lines set to be electrified and served by new electric multiple unit (EMU) train sets. Targeting core areas of the regional network, the GO RER electrification will bring two-way, all-day 15-minute service to much of the Lakeshore West, Lakeshore East, Kitchener, Barrie, and Stouffville lines.

An overview of GO RER benefits, image via Metrolinx



According to Trudeau, the new transportation infrastructure will be a key element in shaping the growing region's sustainable development. "More families are choosing to settle in communities like Etobicoke – communities that allow parents to work in the big city, and allow kids to ride their bikes on the street. These communities are growing at a rapid rate, and investment in public transit needs to keep pace. That is why we’re investing in the GO rail network and over 300 additional projects in Ontario to reduce commute times, decrease air pollution, and improve the lives of millions of Ontarians.”

The 312 additional initiatives cited by the Prime Minister are made up of much smaller transportation project throughout the Province, with the Federal government pleading some $200 million to fund 50% of costs.

We will keep you updated as more information becomes available, and the implementation of GO RER continues to take shape. Want to share your thoughts? Leave a comment in the space on this page, or add your voice to the ongoing conversation in our GO Electrification Forum thread.
http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2017/03/trudeau-announces-18-billion-funding-go-rer

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From Railway Age, three years ago:
Ontario details GO Transit electrification plan
Written by John Thompson, Canadian Contributing Editor

The Minister of Transportation of the Province of Ontario recently outlined plans for the electrification of certain GO Transit regional rail lines, including an implementation schedule.

Electrification is planned for most corridors by 2022-2024, commencing with portions of the Kitchener and Stouffville lines in 2022-2023, followed by the Barrie and Lakeshore (GO’s original route, from 1967) lines in 2023-2024. The announcement did not mention whether the Kitchener electrification would include the Union Pearson Express (to Pearson International Airport in suburban Mississauga), which is due to open June 6, 2015, utilizing diesel multiple-unit equipment.

The electrification’s scope will be as follows:

• Kitchener Line: Bramalea Station to Toronto Union Station.

• Stouffville Line: Unionville Station to Union Station.

• Lakeshore East Line: Full corridor from Union Station to Oshawa .

• Lakeshore West Line: Burlington Station to Union Station.

• Barrie Line: Full corridor.

The Milton and Richmond Hill lines are absent from the present electrification project. The Milton Line is excluded due to the fact that the trackage is owned by the Canadian Pacific Railway, and implementation costs would thus be significantly higher than for the other routes.

In the case of the Richmond Hill Line, significant flood protection work is needed in the lower Don Valley, where the right-of-way closely parallels the Don River and is subject to periodic flooding. In addition, a grade separation is needed at Doncaster Junction, in North Toronto, where the Bala Subdivision used by GO trains crosses CN’s busy York Subdivision.

It is evident that Metrolinx, the overall provincial transit agency, has decided to focus its funding for the next decade in areas that electrification and corresponding improved service are relatively easy to implement, on trackage generally owned by Metrolinx. [...continues at length...]
https://www.railwayage.com/passenge...ario-details-go-transit-electrification-plan/

There's a massive disconnect at play. We've been sold a bill of goods, with the Powers That Be knowing what 'World Class' entails, but delivering very little of it. Evidently, "it's still in the mail".

For this upcoming stage, I keep reading "Ontario is undertaking a $21.3 billion transformation of the GO network"....fair enough, that's spread around and sprinkled very thinly to minimal effect in a very diverse way.

But then I look in absolute envy of how London is just about to complete the Crossrail Project. Let's put the engineering and project management aside for a moment, and look at the funding model (not P3 per-se, but something far more creative):
FUNDING
The funding framework for Crossrail was put in place in October 2007 when the Prime Minister announced that Crossrail’s cost will be met by Government, the Mayor of London and London businesses.

Following the Comprehensive Spending Review in October 2010, a funding envelope of £14.8bn was agreed to deliver the Crossrail scheme in its entirety.

The key elements of the funding package are as follows:

The Mayor of London, through Transport for London (TfL) and the Greater London Authority (GLA), will contribute £7.1bn. This includes a direct contribution from Transport for London of £1.9bn and contributions raised through the Crossrail Business Rate Supplement (BRS), section 106 and the Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL).

Crossrail farepayers will contribute towards the debt raised during construction by TfL.

Government will contribute by means of a grant from the Department for Transport of £4.7 billion during Crossrail's construction.

London businesses will contribute £4.1bn through a variety of mechanisms, including the BRS.

Over 60% of Crossrail’s funding will come from Londoners and London businesses.

Network Rail will undertake works costing no more than £2.3bn to the existing national rail network raised through projected operating surpluses from the use of Crossrail services.

There are also considerable additional financial contributions from some key beneficiaries of Crossrail:

  • The construction of Crossrail is part funded by the City of London Corporation, which has agreed to make a direct contribution of £200m and in addition will seek contributions from businesses of £150m, and has guaranteed £50m of these contributions.
  • Heathrow Airport Holdings Ltd has agreed to a £70 million funding package.
  • Canary Wharf Group has agreed to contribute £150m towards the costs of the new Canary Wharf Crossrail station at Canary Wharf. Canary Wharf Group will also design and build the new station.
  • Berkeley Homes has agreed to construct a station box for a station at Woolwich.
The £14.8 billion funding envelope for the project is a fully inclusive cost, allowing for both contingency and expected inflation.


ABOUT US
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/about-us/funding

This may be a far from linear comparison to what's possible in Ontario, and the UK has learned some severe lessons from getting P3 wrong (London Underground especially)....and learned lessons on how to get it right, Crossrail being a glowing example. @Northern Light might have some excellent views on this, gov't financing seems to be his forte, but at least this should be fodder for the Three Stooges to wonder: "Why can't Ontario learn from this exercise?" Perhaps it's too far beyond the simple minds of the electorate to grasp? It's certainly beyond at least one of the three candidates (although the Greens' Schreiner would embrace this type of thinking), but huff and puff as best they can, we're stuck with the little engine that couldn't it seems.

And no sign of electrification...
 
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From Railway Age, three years ago:

https://www.railwayage.com/passenge...ario-details-go-transit-electrification-plan/

There's a massive disconnect at play. We've been sold a bill of goods, with the Powers That Be knowing what 'World Class' entails, but delivering very little of it. Evidently, "it's still in the mail".

For this upcoming stage, I keep reading "Ontario is undertaking a $21.3 billion transformation of the GO network"....fair enough, that's spread around and sprinkled very thinly to minimal effect in a very diverse way.

But then I look in absolute envy of how London is just about to complete the Crossrail Project. Let's put the engineering and project management aside for a moment, and look at the funding model (not P3 per-se, but something far more creative):

http://www.crossrail.co.uk/about-us/funding

This may be a far from linear comparison to what's possible in Ontario, and the UK has learned some severe lessons from getting P3 wrong (London Underground especially)....and learned lessons on how to get it right, Crossrail being a glowing example. @Northern Light might have some excellent views on this, gov't financing seems to be his forte, but at least this should be fodder for the Three Stooges to wonder: "Why can't Ontario learn from this exercise?" Perhaps it's too far beyond the simple minds of the electorate to grasp? It's certainly beyond at least one of the three candidates (although the Greens' Schreiner would embrace this type of thinking), but huff and puff as best they can, we're stuck with the little engine that couldn't it seems.

And no sign of electrification...

Let's be fair, for the ~300 km of electrified RER service track we're getting, we're investing at least 15 Billion (another 5 billion for other projects such as Missing Link, and upgrades to other services). Compare that to Crossrail, which is only getting about 70 km for 14.8 Billion pounds (25.61 BILLION Cad!). Yes, the project is progressing well and it's arguably a good deal for the city of London, but it's by no means cheap, even when you consider they're building a 10-mile tunnel. Since the TYSSE was underground and about half that length, we can assume that 6 billion dollars would have been spent on the Tunnels in London, and a lot of the line runs on existing track. In other words, P3s are still insanely expensive.
 
^You overlook that Crossrail is just one of the many projects ongoing in London, and with some of the most expensive real-estate in the world.
Thameslink is a 68-station main-line route in the British railway system running 225 km (140 mi)[citation needed] north to south through the centre of London from Bedford in the north to Brighton in the south. The network serves both Luton Airport in the north and Gatwick Airport in the south. There are suburban loops off the main backbone of the network serving Sutton, Mitcham and Wimbledon. Also London Bridge to Horsham via Crawley. London Bridge to Littlehampton is served at peak times and a suburban line via Catford and Bromley South to Sevenoaks.

The network opened as a through service in 1988, with severe overcrowding by 1998, carrying more than 28,000 passengers in the morning peak. Almost all the services are currently operated by Thameslink.

The Thameslink Programme is a major £5.5 billion scheme to extend the service to a further 100 stations and to greatly increase capacity on the central London section to accommodate more frequent and longer trains, scheduled for completion in 2019. In 2016, new Class 700 trains started operating on the route and have now replaced the Class 319, Class 377 and Class 387 trains which were withdrawn and transferred elsewhere.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thameslink

I could list more. The point remains: Something's not right in Ontario. How are other cities/regions able to get so much more for their investment? There are reasons, worthy of great discussion (of which none is happening either in this election or outside of it), and the points you make I've already taken into consideration. One you didn't mention is how Crossrail was financed, and by whom. Thameslink is financed by Railtrack (roughly equivalent to Metrolinx, save being on a larger scale, and to the resentment of the rest of the nation. Echoes of VIA in that respect) but by a form of P3.

It's also well worth noting that their stated costs include state of the art signalling and control systems.
The British Rail Class 700 is an electric multiple-unit passenger train being built for Thameslink as part of the Thameslink Programme in the United Kingdom.

A fleet of 60 eight-car and 55 twelve-car trains are expected to enter service between Spring 2016 and 2018. Maintenance depots have been built at Hornsey and Three Bridges. The first train was delivered in late July 2015.

In 2011, the consortium Cross London Trains (XLT) consisting of Siemens Project Ventures, 3i Infrastructure and Innisfree was announced as preferred bidder with Siemens to manufacture the trains. The decision was politically controversial as the trains were to be built in Germany, while the competing consortium led by Bombardier Transportation had a train factory in the UK. Both the procurement process and final close of contract were significantly delayed, resulting in the expected first delivery date moving from 2012 to 2016. The £1.6 billion contract to manufacture and provide service depots for the trains was finalised in June 2013.

The first unit, 700108, was introduced on 20 June 2016. Following the withdrawal of Class 319s, Class 700s operate on all routes across the Thameslink network.[4]
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Overhead electrification, completed in 1982, allowed the northern section to run as the Midland City Line from Bedford via the Midland Main Line to St Pancras, and via the City Widened Lines to Moorgate.[4]
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The Department for Transport began its procurement process (Thameslink Rolling Stock Project, or Thameslink Rolling stock Programme) on 9 April 2008, with the aim of introducing more passenger capacity on Thameslink lines to match expected demand. In addition, the bidders were to provide depots for vehicle maintenance and storage, and finance for the rolling-stock project whereby revenues would be generated from the long-term leasing of rolling stock to the train operating company and associated maintenance payments.[5]

The general specifications included: high reliability, short station dwell times, integrated information technology including passenger information and information for vehicle maintenance, a top speed of 100 mph (160 km/h), high acceleration and deceleration performance in line with a high-frequency timetable. [note 1] The trains were to be designed for low weight, low track forces and high energy efficiency. A standard 12-car train was to be about 240 metres (790 ft) long and services using 8-car trains are limited to 162 metres (531 ft).[5]

The passenger accommodation were to include versions for both "metro" and "commuter" trains,[note 2] based around a 2+2 seating arrangement, with fold-up seats and designed for high levels of standing passengers.[5] Ride quality and noise levels were expected to equal or be better than those of current vehicles and climate control (air-conditioning) was to be fitted.[7] The vehicles were to be fitted for driver-only operation, and to include GSM-R communications radio, as well as AWS, TPWS and ERTMS level 2 safety systems. The ability to be used in 'Automatic train operation' (ATO) mode, where an on-board computer controls the motors and brakes, was also specified.[7] [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_700

I'm sure Dutch, German, Australian, etc and some US systems are equally worthy and advanced. The US has run into funding difficulties in a number of jurisdictions. New York immediately comes to mind.

Perhaps their societies are far more accommodating of looking for more efficient and modern ways of doing things? I could make a snarky comment on the state of Ontario politics, I won't, it's too indicative of what's gone wrong in Ontario. Ontario *used to have* effective and dynamic leadership of all three parties, but alas...

In all fairness, some of the fault lies at the federal level here too, although Montreal and Vancouver are both far ahead of Toronto in adopting and building better ways.

Interior pic of Class 700, note the through train use of space:
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Apologies if I missed the discussion on this topic, but is there any news on what train model the GO RER service would likely use? I know that in the full GO RER Initial Business Case report they stated intention to use bi-level EMUs that allowed for flexible car lengths to match both off- and on-peak service demand, and cited similarities to the Zurich S-Bahn which uses Stadler KISS bi-level EMUs while also mentioning the fact that Bombardier and Alstom have their own bi-level EMUs.

Would Metrolinx's troubled relationship with Bombardier due to the Crosstown LRT fleet order fiasco perhaps steer them away from something like Twindexx for GO RER, and push them more towards Alstom (from which they're already ordering LRTs to fill the gap left by Bombardier) or another company?

Also, any thoughts on hydrogen fuel cell trains being implemented in the future? Metrolinx has already completed a Hydrail Feasibility Study Report, and the province is looking into the use of HFC EMUs. "Ontario is engaging with train manufacturers Alstom and Siemens to produce concept designs that incorporate hydrogen fuel cells into bi-level trains similar to those currently used by GO Transit." http://www.metrolinx.com/en/news/announcements/hydrail-feasibility-study.aspx
 
^ there were some examples of vehicles mentioned in the GO RER BCA. Have you looked at that document? The PDFs ar pretty big and take time to downodow unfortunately.
 

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